Richard Bauckham on the Divinity of Christ

Posted on 31 December 2013 by Fr Aidan Kimel

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2 Responses to Richard Bauckham on the Divinity of Christ

  1. newenglandsun says:
    31 December 2013 at 8:05 pm

    No way! It’s snowing inside!

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  2. Archangel Prince says:
    21 January 2014 at 9:01 pm

    Yeah,
    Jesus is the Son of God the Father, but why is it believe that Jesus was begotten of God the Father before all time began? When we believe as Christians that life begins at conception?

    Obviously God began to exist when He was Born of the Virgin Mary Mother of God the Theotokos. However God existed for all eternity afterwards in the past present and future as the God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Clearly The Lord Jesus refers to God the Father as being Himself. However Arius was a heretic fully, and Jesus is equally Almighty the same as God the Father and the Holy Spirit. But even the Lord Jesus the only God that exists the same as God the Father even said Himself:

    John 14-28

    Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    So it might be that God the Father is more powerful than God the Son due to a more powerful Human form that He can make Himself into being. Just like the Transfiguration Jesus became the Holy Spirit:

    (Mk 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh [with him] Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them).

    (Mk 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them)

    Our Lord the Holy Spirit, He then must transfigure to being God the Father. I’m trying to rationalize the constant and infallible Christian understanding of the truth of our Lord and God being Triune. We as Christians do not say the Lords, or Gods, but Lord and God only is what we Christians understand.

    Now is it that we believe a common Christians of the Holy Roman Catholic Church that God the Father gave birth to God the Son, and afterwards God the Son and God the Father preceded God the Holy Spirit afterwards, and then God the Father sent God the Son to be born again from the Virgin Mary?

    That does not make sense at all, it is more logical that God began to exist when He was Born both hypostically Divine of God the Father and Human of His Jewish Mother.

    And that Jesus is the Holy Trinity hypostatically since Jesus claimed to be God the Father in:

    John 14:8-21
    New International Version (NIV)
    8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

    9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. 12 Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

    And in John 1:1

    John 1
    New International Version (NIV)
    The Word Became Flesh

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

    14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    Why do we not have the standard belief that God began to exist Divine and Human when He was Born of the Virgin Mary Mother of God the Theotokos?

    First thing is that we believe in “One God.”

    http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/

    I believe in one God,
    the Father almighty,
    maker of heaven and earth,
    of all things visible and invisible.

    You can’t contradict the first statement of what it is to believe as Christians.

    To say that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are three different persons, but the same God at the same time. And yet still try to profess yourself as a monotheist.

    That is like saying that you believe in monogamy, but your three wives; (for instance) Tiffany, Anne and Jane are your one wife in matrimony.

    That would be a contradiction, the same as with the Nicene Creed.

    Also how could it be possible that God was able to exist before there was even an existence for Himself to exist in before existence began?

    There is only one universe that exists not two, therefore God Himself could not of existed without a beginning due to that being a regressive contradiction. If God has no beginning than when did He create that universe for Himself to exist in and so forth, and so forth? God could not have existed for all eternity without an existence to exist in Himself, since He is as real as the universe He Himself had created.
    It would be a contradiction to say that God has no beginning, but yet say at the simultaneously God was begotten the same. Begotten: is defined as beginning, therefore God then began to exist from the very statements in the Nicene Creed.

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