The One-Storey Universe of David Bentley Hart


David Hart’s critique of two-tier Thomism can be misleading. If we are acquainted with the ongoing debate swirling around natura pura and the desiderium naturale, we will be tempted to judge his arguments according to scholastic criteria and categories. This is not, I suggest, the most helpful way to read “Waking the Gods.” I note three clues:

  1. Hart’s insistence that he is “indifferent” to whose interpretation of St Thomas Aquinas should prove the most accurate. Translation: “I don’t not have a dog in the Thomist hunt. Let the academic chips fall as they may.”
  2. Hart’s comment that “from an Eastern perspective, the debate on the ‘supernatural’—epochal though it was for Catholic theology—can only seem a bit bizarre.” Translation: “I am not a Thomist! If you have never read St Gregory of Nyssa, Ps-Dionysius, St Maximus the Confessor, and Sergius Bulgakov, you’re going to have a hard time comprehending my arguments!”
  3. Hart’s choice of title for his essay, perhaps the biggest clue of them all—“Waking the Gods”!

The title immediately provokes attention, bewilderment, questions, objections, contro­versy. Is David Bentley Hart taking us back to the polytheism from which the gospel of Jesus Christ has liberated us? Of course not. Is he denying the contingent creaturehood of human beings? Again, no. Hart is speaking from within the Eastern patristic tradition.1 Western Christians, whether Roman Catholic or Protestant, are often shocked by the language of theosis—it sounds so darn pagan—yet this language may be found throughout the writings of the Orthodox saints:

For God was made man that we might be made gods. ~ St Athanasius

A sure warrant for looking forward with hope to deification of human nature is provided by the Incarnation of God, which makes man god to the same degree as God himself became man. ~ St Maximus the Confessor

All that God is, except for an identity in being, one becomes when one is deified by grace. ~ St Maximus the Confessor

This [uncreated] Light penetrates us with the power of God, we become ‘without beginning’—not through our origin but by the gift of Grace: life without beginning is communicated to us. And there is no limit to the outpouring of the Father’s love: man becomes identical with God—the same by content, not by primordial Self-Being. ~ St Sophrony of Essex2

Yet despite the Eastern antecedents of Hart’s reflections on theosis, it may be the case that contemporary Orthodox theologians will find his arguments too radical. (Where is the Palamite distinction between the divine ousia and the divine energeia? Err, nowhere.) I suppose we’ll find out what they think of Hart’s approach to deification when they publish their reviews.

I propose, therefore, that the most helpful way to approach “Waking the Gods” is to think of it as a positive presentation of deification, albeit couched as critique of two-tier Thomism. It’s easy to get caught up in Hart’s objections to natural pura and the duplex ordo. Clearly he enjoys playing the scholastic game (especially when it gives him an opportunity to strike some mighty polemical blows), but don’t let that distract you—otherwise you’ll miss the forest for the trees. First try to piece together the Hartian understanding of humanity’s natural desire for God within the indivisible union of grace and nature. Remember: it’s “grace all the way down and nature all the way up.”3 We live in a one-storey universe. We are created by God the Father, for God the Son, in God the Holy Spirit and are divinely ordered to deifying participation in their Triadic life. The Fall has introduced a serious spanner into the cosmic works—namely, corruption, alienation, death—but the world abides as the theophanic manifestation and presence of the Trinity. Within this world human beings live in dynamic motion toward final unification with the God who is infinite Love. The LORD wills our good. Persistently, indefatigably, ardently, he lures and draws us to salvation in him.4 Our hunger for transcendent wholeness propels us toward the triune Creator who will be all in all.

I’m not going to pretend that I have coherent grasp of Hart’s thinking on this topic. As I mentioned in my first article, this is a difficult essay for me, given my ignorance of ancient and medieval philosophy. All I can do is identify highlights of his presentation of theosis and humanity’s natural desire for the God.

Theological Highlights

1) The cosmos is created for Christ.

If you have read “Waking the Gods,” you may be surprised that I should begin my list with the above statement; in fact, you may be wondering where Hart even discusses it in his essay. Well, it’s hidden away in one of the footnotes. The proponents of the natura pura hypoth­esize that God might have created a world in which human beings were not ordered to God as their supernatural end. This “might have” worries Hart. It intimates arbi­trari­ness in God’s exercise of his freedom. The “might have” characterizes Thomas Aquinas’s reflec­tions on a number of questions: Might God have created a different world? Might God have chosen not to become incarnate? To both questions Thomas answers yes. Hart explains his objection to the apparent voluntarism:

I realize that there are places in Thomas’s work where a certain interval of arbitrariness between God and his work in creation seems to emerge like a menacing specter from this or that shadowy corner, such as in his infra­lap­sarian account of Christ’s incarnation, or in his seeming willingness to separate in principle the necessity of God willing his own goodness from the rationale determining the particular goodness he wills in creation. . . . [I]t must also be the case that there is nothing truly arbitrary in the way in which God acts and reveals himself, and that therefore he creates this world precisely because it is the world of Christ, the one world whereof the incarnation of the divine Logos is the mystery hidden from the ages, and therefore the one world wherein the consummate revelation of God to his creatures occurs.5

Our world is the “world of Christ,” the world in which God has has chosen to embody himself in deifying self-revelation. Not only is the cosmos created through Jesus, as the Gospel of John teaches us, but it is created for Jesus. Why? That humanity might become divine. Recall Hart’s fourth premise: “God became human so that humans should become God. Only the God who is always already human can become human. Only a humanity that is always already divine can become God.”6 For this reason we may not entertain the possibility that the divine Creator might have made a different world minus the Incar­na­tion or a different kind of human being whom the LORD never intended for deification. The eternal decision to become incarnate logically precedes and founds the eternal decision to create a world from out of nothingness. Even if humanity had never fallen into sin and depravity, the divine Word would have assumed a body of flesh as the archetypal–eschatological Adam. Hart elaborates:

But for this union of divine and human, humanity would have no existence, since it would have no final cause. In the incarnate Logos, in the recon­cil­ia­tion of God and creation effected by the hypostatic union of the uncreated and created, the divine humanity that is the premise of creation is perfectly realized; and, in constituting the end toward which creation is oriented and in which it is established, this premise brings humanity into being solely as a mode of participation in the divine. In this perfect coincidence of the wholly eternal and wholly historical, the natural and constitutive transparency of humanity to God finds not only its axis, but the whole rationale of creation. This is why it is impossible to understand divine incarnation as merely a consequence of creaturely sin. There could be no creation at all but for the humanity of God and divinity of human beings; there could be no world but for the historical and cosmic achievement of that union in the event of incarnation, which is always already the perfection of deification. The infralapsarian logic of creation and divine incarnation that one finds in Thomas, for instance—which cannot even provide a coherent account of why God creates this world rather than some other, or of how in doing so he is not reduced to a voluntarist subject arbitrarily selecting from among an infinity of possible worlds, any of which is equally incapable of expressing the infinity of his goodness—is to be rejected without remainder. Only an understanding of creation as grounded in the event of Christ—only an understanding of this world as the one world of Christ—can make sense at once of the gratuity and of the rationality of creation. And that, of course, allows for only a supralap­sarian theology of incarnation and deification.7

Behind Hart’s words we hear the words of Sergius Bulgakov:

God wants to communicate to the world his divine life and himself to “dwell” in the world, to become human, in order to make of humankind a god too. . . . Such it is in the interior life of the Trinity, in the reciprocal surrender of the three hypostases, and such it is in the relation of God to the world. If it is in such a way that we are to understand the Incarnation–and Christ himself teaches us to understand it in such a way (Jn 3:16)—there is no longer any room to ask if the Incarnation would have taken place apart from the Fall. The greater contains the lesser, the conclusion presupposes the antecedent, and the concrete includes the general. The love of God for fallen humankind, which finds it in no way repugnant to take the failed nature of Adam, already contains the love of stainless humankind. . . .

The Incarnation is the interior basis of creation, its final cause. God did not create the world to hold it at a distance from him, at that insurmountable metaphysical distance that separates the Creator from the creation, but in order to surmount that distance and unite himself completely with the world; not only from the outside, as Creator, nor even as providence, but from within: “the Word became flesh”. That is why the Incarnation is already predetermined in humankind.8

The Father creates the cosmos for his Son Jesus Christ for a single purpose—to awaken the gods!

2) Grace and nature are indivisible

Whether two-tier Thomism is accurately described as “two-tier” I leave to Thomists to decide. But clearly the adjectival term does not apply to Hart’s theology of nature and grace. The following passages bring out the indivisibility of grace and nature in the Hartian vision:

Perhaps, however, it would be best simply to note that—on the question of “grace” and “nature”—these pages advance an Eastern Christian view over against a particular set of Western Christian traditions. Indeed, if there is one thing on which all the great Orthodox theologians of the last century were agreed, despite all their differences from one another, it was that the entire problem of grace and nature (which was known to them almost exclusively from Thomist sources, many of them French) was a false dilemma created by an inept reading of Paul and by a catastrophic division into discrete categories of what should never have been divided. There is only χάρις, which is at once that which is freely given, the delight taken in the gift, and the thanksgiving offered up for it; and all those things that a distorted theology converts into oppositions or dialectical contraries or saltations—grace and nature, creation and deifi­cation, nature and supernature—are in fact only differing vantages upon, or continuously varying intensities within, a single transcendent act, a single immanent mystery.9

We immediately grasp the indivisibility of grace and nature. There are no moments when divine grace is absent; no moments when God needs to decide to be gracious or not. From beginning to end, at all times and in all places, God is actively at work by his grace to lib­erate creatures for the fulfillment of their natural and supernatural ends. All is compre­hended, by grace, in the creatio ex nihilo (exitus et reditus):

What had become the “Thomist” position (which must be distinguished, incidentally, from any position we can confidently attribute to Thomas himself) was that a proper appreciation of the gratuity of salvation and deification can be secured only by insisting that, as the tedious formula goes, “grace is extrinsic to the nature of the creature.” That is to say, human nature has no inherent ordination toward real union with God, and—apart from the infusion of a certain wholly adventitious lumen gloriae—rational creatures are incapable even of conceiving a desire for such union. Even the unremit­ting agitations of Augustine’s cor inquietum are superadded spiritual motives that, in the current providential order of this world, happen to have been graciously conjoined to the natural intentionalities of created rational wills. But, so the claim goes, none of that need be the case. God could just as well have created a world in a state of natura pura, wherein the rational volitions of spiritual creatures could have achieved all their final ends and ultimate rest in an entirely natural terminus. The only longing for God such creatures would naturally experience would be an elicited velleity or abstract curiosity obscurely directed toward some original explanatory principle that might tell them where the world came from. Or, in some cases, for those who may have heard of the possibility of the beatific vision in the abstract, there might be an elicited “conditional” desire to see what it is like; but this would still not be the kind of super­nat­ural appetite and superadded capacity that efficacious grace alone can infuse in a soul. And, even then, those ungraced spirits need never discover that principle or that possible end in itself in order to be wholly satisfied in their rational longings, since God thus “naturally” conceived remains the object of an only incidental inquisitiveness, adequately known in and through creatures. Moreover, supposedly, even in this world, where rational natures do bear the gracious imprint of a vocation to deification, human nature in itself remains entirely identical to what human nature would have been in a world without grace. Nature as such has no claim on grace, even where such grace is given, nor does it even have any awareness that such grace is desirable unless that grace is actually given. Hence the term “two-tier” Thomism: Nature is a circumscribed totality, a self-sufficient suppositum, while grace is a superadditum set, as it were, atop it, and only thereby super-elevating nature beyond itself. And here too one sees the effect of a certain Thomist tendency to see the Fall as humanity’s descent from a graciously elevated state (Eden) into the state of nature as God had created it in its integrity (including such essential features as suffering and death), as opposed to the Christian view that the Fall was the descent of humanity and the whole cosmos from their original and natural condition into an unnatural state of bondage to decay (including such accidental features as suffering and death).10

Hart’s understanding  of grace as a continuum, both vertically and horizontally, makes clear the radical difference from the neoscholastic Catholic position. As Brian Moore has commented: “Grace is either the flourishing completion of nature, and thus interior to its natural telos, or it is an extrinsic addition as two-tier Thomism asserts.” The distinctions that the neoscholastic feels necessary to make in order to secure the gratuity of salvation are not only unnecessary but destructive to the economy of salvation. In God’s one eternal act of creation-redemption-deification, the sola gratia rules all:

At any rate, if nothing else, it seems clear to me that the early modern Thomist synthesis was the product of a long history of illusory dilemmas generated by false dichotomies. All too often, the debate was shaped by perceived antitheses and disjunctions where there were in reality only continuities, albeit as descried from sometimes inverse perspectives. Just as the ordo cognoscendi and the ordo essendi are one and the same continuum (as considered now from one pole, now from the other), so too perhaps are such seeming binary oppositions as nature and grace, creation and deifi­cation, the first gift and the second gift, the claims of the creature upon God and God’s gifts to the creature—not to mention sufficient and efficacious grace, or the antecedent and consequent decrees of God, or any number of other oppositions that this essay has not directly addressed. And the passage from one pole to the other, rather than involving an extrinsic addition to or intrinsic annihilation of anything, should be understood as occurring only along that continuum, and as progressing only by relative degrees of intensity within an original unity. There is no abiding difference within the one gift of both creation and deification; there is only grace all the way down and nature all the way up, and “pure nature”—like pure potency or pure nothingness—is a remainder concept of the most vacuous kind: the name of something that in itself could never be anything at all. Creation, incarnation, salvation, deification: in God, these are one gracious act, one absolute divine vocation to the creature to become what he has called it to become.11

Grace and gift, thanksgiving and rejoicing—such is our life within the first-storey universe, to the glory of God the Father.

I have more theological highlights to discuss, but they must wait for the next two articles.

Footnotes

[1] See Norman Russell, The Doctrine of Deification in the Greek Patristic Tradition (2006).

[2] Sophrony Sakharov, We Shall See Him as He Is (2006), p. 172.

[3] David Bentley Hart, You Are Gods (2022), p. 19.

[4] “Spiritual beings in their deepest identity are lured to unity with God—even in some sense already possess this unity.” John Milbank, The Suspended Middle, 2nd ed. (2014), p. 56.

[5] Hart, p. 126, n. 10.

[6] Ibid., p. xviii.

[7] Ibid., pp. 111-112.

[8] Translated and quoted by Andrew Louth, “The Place of Theosis in Orthodox Theology,” in Partakers of the Divine Nature, ed. Michael Christensen, et. al. (2007), pp. 35-36. Underlying both Hart and Bulgakov is the magisterial thought of St Maximus the Confessor: “For the Word of God and God wills always and in all things to accomplish the mystery of his embodiment” (Amb. 7.22). See Georges Florovsky, “Cur Deus Homo? The Motive of the Incarnation,” Collected Works of Georges Florovsky (1976), III:163-170; Bogdan Bucer, “Foreordained from All Eternity,” Dumbarton Oaks Papers, 62 (2008): 199-215; Jordan Daniel Wood, “Creation is Incarnation,” Modern Theology, 34/1 (2018): 82-102.

[9] Ibid., p. xvii.

[10] Ibid., pp. 5-6; cf. Conor Cunningham, “Natura Pura, the Invention of the Anti-Christ,” Communio, 37 (2010): 244-254.

[11] Hart, p. 19.

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42 Responses to The One-Storey Universe of David Bentley Hart

  1. ‘If you have read “Waking the Gods,…’
    Where is this essay by DBH? Is it part of ‘You are Gods’?

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  2. Ed H. says:

    Father Kimel,

    I am always amazed at the treasure house of images and icons that you possess! However do you do it??

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  3. I predict the Bradshaws and the Loudovikos’s will not at all be happy with Hart’s book since it doesn’t mention the distinction. However, the Plesteds and others will probably be fine with it. Behr obviously is. As someone who (I admit, I understand VERY LITTLE on this topic) likes Scholarios’s attempt at “formalizing” Palamas’s distinction through Scotus, I have thoroughly enjoyed Hart’s book so far. I’m sure I would allow a lot more of what Hart calls “voluntarism” into my current understanding of all this than Hart, but I don’t see that as completely negating everything Hart has to say. Currently slowly listening my way through this link of yours from a few years ago. Very interesting. https://afkimel.wordpress.com/2019/10/25/the-flexibility-of-divine-simplicity-aquinas-scotus-palamas/

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    • Of course, a lot of other Orthodox will hate the book because Hart is quite clear about his universalism in it, but that’s another topic. Though let me say that I do feel like in some ways, this book continues where That All Shall Be Saved left off.

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      • Robert Fortuin says:

        Are any Orthodox reading it?

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        • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

          Is anyone reading it? My postings on YAG sure aren’t getting many hits.

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          • A critique of “Two Tier Thomism” is certainly not as sexy as an argument for universalism to most people, but it should be.

            They’re missing out. The subject is a bit dense, but well-worth blogging about. 🙂

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          • Jesse says:

            So sad that this book is not getting more widely read. I loved your challenge here: “I suppose we’ll find out what they think of Hart’s approach to deification when they publish their reviews.”

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          • mark – YAG is important to the whole Universalism project, because these weeds that we’re getting lost in are the metaphysical foundation/substrate of latin infernalism. More people should definitely be getting into it indeed!

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          • Robert Fortuin says:

            TIK – Would you elaborate on that please – how it is that manualist Thomism is the “metaphysical foundation/substrate of latin infernalism”?

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          • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

            It’s not clear to me how two-tier Thomism (or two-tier whatrever) is the substrate for Latin infernalism.

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          • Robert Fortuin says:

            Right – if manualist two-tierism is but a minor detour and relatively recent development in Catholic theology, how can it serve as the foundation for Catholic eschatology embracing never-ending damnation. Surely infernalism outdates all varieties of Thomism.

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          • I haven’t done a PhD on it, but I have a strong hunch that historically speaking we arrived at the two tier thing as a last ditch effort to shore up the infernalism that had become de facto orthodox teaching in the western church. I think it’s a very “motivated” teaching. It seems incredibly obvious to me so I’m not sure if I’ve been able to explain it adequately, but I’ll just say that during my masters at UNDA, all the infernalist staff and students would retreat to the two-tier thomist apologetic when they were pressed hard enough to defend the coherence of infernalism. You can see Ed Feser doing this in his online sparring with DBH too. Like, the average Catholic will try to silence you with dogmas when it comes to universal salvation, but the more charitable and intelligent ones will try to put up an actual rational defense, and in my experience, it ALWAYS lands in this same “Two Tier Thomism” territory. So I think YAG is actually (to some extent) DBH trying to evangelise the western church from afar by taking down the last argument that intelligent Catholics resort to when trying to resist universalism.

            The whole point of the two tier teaching seems to be to justify and give an account for the “arbitrary divine sovereignty” western theological development that DBH identifies in various of his essays. That “arbitrary sovereignty” is the metaphysical basis for God supposedly being able to save some and not others by giving grace to some and not to others (speaking here in an ultimate sense, rather than a historical one). In turn, the hard division between nature and supernature supposedly helps to flesh this arbitrary divine sovereignty out in a more coherent and consistent way,

            With that as the background, in YAG DBH seems to be deploying the analogia entis (as articulated in his translation of pryzwyra), and also the trinitarian theological tools that he created/identified in his PhD thesis (Beauty of the Infinite), in order to maintain the supernatural/natural distinction but also unite them together analogically, rather than univocally collapse the distinction or equivocally erect a firm and uncrossable boundary between them.

            If anyone is unfamiliar with this sort of language, its structurally the same as the formula of chalcedon: One person in two natures, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation. In fact, YAG is arguably simply a profound application of the chalcedonean creed, to show how in christ, creation and creator are both one and different, and so too nature and supernature. Whereas two tier thomism corresponds to to nestorian hard distinction of nature and supernature without any similarity. Incidentally, Robert Jenson argues in his systematics that the western church has been crypto-nestorian since the day that chalcedon was approved, because the western church has always read the chalcedonean creed through the Tome of Leo, which is an incredibly nestorian take. Bulgakov in his great trilogy also identifies this and pins it down to the fact that we love to say “one person in two natures” but we always forget to include the four qualifications that follow (“without confusion, without change, without division, without separation.”). YAG is arguably an attempt in the form of an extended essay to bring those four qualifications back into the spotlight in the west. Once this is done, Two Tier Thomism becomes “One Nature in Two Tiers: without confusion, without change, without division, without separation,” and the gospel of apokatastasis can then re-enter through the breach and save western civilization.

            DBH is accusing the Feser types of a sort of Nestorianism, while the Feser types are accusing DBH of a sort of Monophysitism (hence the repeated accusations of “pantheism” by Feser). The whole thing seems to be a microcosmic recapitulation of the schism at Chalcedon XD. Ultimately, DBH has the clearer vision though, and if the right people read YAG at the right time, the butterfly effect might just help Christ to save us all

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          • Robert Fortuin says:

            I find what you claim quite interesting TIK!

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      Over the next week, I hope to slowly make my way through the last chapter. It’s very rich and may be the closet we come to a statement of DBH’s theological metaphysics.

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  4. The critique of two-tier Thomism is, I believe, correct. But I would not want to throw out the nature-supernature distinction. In fact, I’d want to argue that without that distinction, theology is not really possible as a discipline.

    The human drive to understand, to love, and to be loved is natural in several senses of the world natural. It is a principle of action; it constitutes us as human beings. Those drives are dynamic and unrestricted. No particular discovery is ever enough to satisfy our demand for explanations; everything we can do for those we love falls short of our aspirations as spouses, parents, friends, and so on. The only thing that satisfies our intellectual and volitional drives is an infinite act of understanding and love.

    Yet there is still an important distinction between our natural intentions and the supernatural satisfaction. Were it the case that an inspection of the curious person or loving spouses would give us knowledge of infinite truth or love, then there would be no natural-supernatural distinction. But unlike the way in which the object of vision is constrained by the structure of the eye (a “horizontal” finality), the end belongs to a higher order. This is a vertical finality, much as oxygen, on the level of physics, can be integrated into the higher levels of chemistry and biology.

    It would follow, I would argue, that there is a sphere of human nature open to autonomous disciplines (e.g., philosophy, anthropology). But this sphere is, in the concrete world order, integrated into the higher synthesis of God’s action in history. Without this, theology is impossible. So while there is a distinction, there is not a separation.

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    • Robert Fortuin says:

      Not unlike the distinction between uncreated and created, I suppose.

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    • Iain Lovejoy says:

      I think in your analysis, “two-tier Thomism” is actually “three tier”? I think DBH’s analysis still keeps a distinction between God and creation, so that what we see when we, as it were, look up, is different from what we see when looking sideways / downwards (we aren’t gods yet). What the “two tier” system does is have God create a whole load of “natural” stuff which is (or can be) sufficient in itself, then pile a second, separate load of “supernatural” stuff on top of it as a sort of separate, somehow different creation, leaving you God, his supernatural creation / works and his separate “natural” creation / works under that.
      (Or ar least I think so: I’ve only read a bit of the book so far.)

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      • Robert Fortuin says:

        I suppose that the issue comes down to how one understands “nature of nature”; or, more precisely, what is “nature’s nature” post lapse, after the Fall. If mortality is understood as naturally proper to fallen nature, then supernature will be a requirement as a salvific corrective. On the other hand, and in contrast, if one understands mortality as a corruption and a departure but which has not essentially erased the godly and natural icon of grace, then the notion of a supernature is incoherently irrelevant – the natural is always already the supernatural, ante and post lapse. I take the latter to be the position of the Greek fathers.

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      • I would want as many tiers as there are distinct pure sciences. My main worry is simply to safeguard the autonomy of those sciences from the need for revelation. I’d want to defend the integrity of secular empirical, human, and philosophical sciences. To do that, one needs a nature/supernature distinction. (Actually one needs this distinction even to defend the non-reducibility of, say, chemistry to physics.)

        For my part, I don’t see the distinction of the natural and supernatural as objectionable per se, or even a “pure nature” in some qualified sense. The problem for me is in asserting that God can create intellectual creatures that do not have as their (vertical) end the vision of God. This is the position taken in Humani Generis, and it is provably false.

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        • Robert Fortuin says:

          Thomas,

          Only a god which is envisioned as tinkering from the outside to interfere with the natural can be deemed to be kept safely outside so as not to muddle with the affairs of man. But now we have drunk deep from the well of modernity – the “God of the gaps” for some, Deism for others, the death of God for some others still, the becoming god, and the two-tier universe for yet some other souls. All are the same manifestation of a deficient theology in which false opposites are supposed and in a fundamentally flawed transcendence and immanence are left unbaptized.

          BTW, no need to speak of a “pure nature” after completion of said necessary qualifications as nature would need to accommodate God as rational creature’s natural end; “pure nature” will have been vacated of any meaning, at any rate.

          Why are you equivocating?

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          • Robert,

            I’m not sure I follow the objection that I am equivocating, or whether the first paragraph is intended as a criticism of my position.

            None of the two-tier Thomists argue against divine action in history nor do they deny that God is the end of human beings even apart from grace. They certainly don’t argue that human existence is without a real dependence on and orientation to God.

            Their problem in my view is that a) they assert that God may have created human beings without a supernatural end, and b) they often tend to misunderstand vertical causality (due to a failure to attend to the philosophical import of the modern sciences).

            But none of that vitiates the need to speak of human nature while prescinding from grace, which is necessary for there to be secular human sciences. I take it that there are such sciences, although I know some (e.g., radical orthodoxy) disagree.

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          • Robert Fortuin says:

            But that is just it Thomas – what is meant by grace and nature, supernatural and the natural, sacred and secular – is precisely in question. So when you say that human nature needs to be considered distinct from grace (ostensibly to preserve the sciences) you obviously see a need to separate, to keep them apart. And you want to speak of pure nature. But how so is not addressed – how would your position be different from neo-thomism? DBH makes no objections to the integrity of secondary causality.

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          • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

            Thomas, perhaps you can clarify a question I have about the Thomist position. You say that Thomists do not deny that all human beings have God as their end, but my (very fallible and tentative) understanding is that the the supernatural end is only bestowed when the human being has been given sanctifying grace, which all lack at conception due to original sin–hence limbo for all infant who die before baptism. Am I wrong about that?

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          • Robert,

            I don’t know that I have a need to keep them apart. I’d just point fact that scientists (including in the human sciences) do their work better without the input of theologians.

            If there were no nature-grace distinctions, the theologians would have been the first to tell us about the true nature of the heavens, of matter, of human consciousness, of the psyche, and so on. Revelation would have been necessary to crack open these mysteries. But the scientists laid open these mysteries (often to the anxiety of theologians and hostility of religious authorities).

            I have already said where I differ from many neo-thomist positions: I deny that God could have created intellectual creatures without ordering them to himself, and I understand vertical causality in a way determined by the structure of the modern empirical sciences.

            Presumably you would admit some nature-grace distinction, at least on the sub-human level?

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          • Robert Fortuin says:

            True nature, if I follow you, is to be considered apart from origin and telos? This would make for a truncated understanding, scientifically and theologically. How, as such, can you truthfully speak of a divine ordering of creation without merely a hand-waiving token gesture to declare yourself, after all, a true blue theist? I am not sure where you are going with this, but let’s try. Following secular science man’s natural beginning and end is death – came from nothing and ends in nothing. Then in the classic theist second rate move, the cosmic joke of a drama is given a life by way of foisting a disjointed theological postscript, an after thought which coincidentally and unhappily interferes with the sciences. Does this not lead to God as brute, volunteeristic power, to the celebration of the irrational? Who wants to believe in that? I’d rather be a none.

            But do you really mean to say that God’s ordering the cosmos to himself has no consequences to bear upon the sciences? Surely you must see the Paschal triumph as creation’s beginning and end, the true logos of science, its rational origin, its fulfillment and so alone as such it can give science, and the cosmos, its meaning.

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          • Fr. Kimel,

            There are many positions on this, many of which I either don’t understand well or don’t agree with. The interpretation I am most familiar with would say that we naturally desire knowledge of God insofar as we seek answers about why the world exists and what it is for. But we are not naturally able to acquire an understanding of God, though we are able to discern a certain outline by philosophical argument (i.e., God is infinite, intellectual, immutable, etc.)

            In light of God’s action in history, however, we may also desire him as our redeemer, as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. We (not merely intellectuals, but the masses) may find God present to us in a personal way: loving us as a father loves his children, as friends love each other, etc. This encounter happens primarily through collective ritual worship, but can also happen in other ways.

            Neither the fulfillment of our desire for philosophical knowledge of God, nor our desire for God as Trinity in his outreach to us are natural. The former is beyond our ability to derive from the nature of our desire (i.e., we can’t know what God is from the nature of our desire for him) and beyond our power to attain. The latter is responsive to the revelation offer of grace, which occurs at a point in history (before which it could hardly be said that we were not yet human).

            Other (perhaps more standard) interpretations might proceed along more essentialist or sacramental-mechanical lines.

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        • Iain Lovejoy says:

          Physics, chemistry, biology et al and all the operations of physical laws are one mode of creation in which God operates – a logical, methodical outworking (by God) of the initial creative act in creating the universe in the first place. Science works through a voluntary decision to study only the particular outworking of creation which are physical laws. The distinction isn’t really between nature and “supernature” at all but between two modes of operation – between the mode of physical laws and processes on the one hand and the mode of purpose, intention, reason and thought on the other. It’s the difference between e.g. describing a conversation as a conversation and as a serious of vibrations hitting the ear, and then sparking nerves and synapses to move the lungs and tongue to create another set of vibrations going the other way.

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          • Iain:

            > Science works through a voluntary decision to study only the particular outworking of creation which are physical laws.

            Science is not limited to the physical (“hard”) sciences, nor even (as I am using the term) to the empirical sciences.

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  5. CKC says:

    The title made me think of Fr. Stephen Freeman 🙂

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  6. knudgeknudge says:

    The book has only been out for a month!

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  7. brian says:

    Iron Knuckle:

    I don’t think, especially taking YAG in combination with Tradition and Apocalypse, that Hart’s recent work is likely to work apologetically to appeal to Catholics. It isn’t going to make apokatastasis more easily approached by the Western church for the most part. And voluntarism is late, so the arbitrary aspect of the divinity also appears to come in with modernity. Where I think you are correct is in noting the convergence of pure nature and a tendency to make indifference towards the cosmic scope of salvation intellectually palatable. If you combine the atomized self of modernity and a focus on individual salvation with the notion that the creation has an intrinisic destiny apart from theosis, you get the kind of default callousnesss that besets modern Catholics.

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  8. John Grinnell says:

    Fr Aidan, Limbo is in Limbo?

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  9. John Grinnell says:

    Should have ended with a period!

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  10. Robert:

    I suspect at least some of our differences are terminological — even if we don’t fully agree, perhaps clearing those up would at least clarify any disagreements.

    Probably I would need to write an article to clarify the terminological issues, but I’ll try here briefly.

    First, by speaking of the teleology of something, I mean primarily an imminent fact about that thing, not some future state “pulling” the present into itself. The end of something refers to the orientation, drive, desire, or at least openness imminent in a thing which may or may not refer to a particular object or event.

    Now that orientation, disposition (etc) of a thing may be explained on the same explanatory level as the thing itself. For example, the dispositions of electrons may be explained by physics. This is a horizontal or proportionate end. But electrons may also play a part in an explanation on a level above physics; for example, insofar as they are relevant to chemistry. (I’m taking what I understand the majority position is here in assuming that chemistry is not reducible to physics.)

    Thus, there is a vertical end. Above the natures grasped in physics, there are the higher syntheses of physical systems: chemistry, biology, etc. Insofar as physical events are positively incorporated into those higher systems, they are involved in something above their nature — supernatural.

    The only thing especially theological about the term “supernatural” is that, in addition to the vertical dimension, there is also the absolute orientation of things toward God. By this I mean nothing more than the fact that if one were to as “why does the universe exist?” or “what is it for?” the answer comes to rest in understanding God.

    Applying this, it does not follow that “secular science” construes man’s end as death. It may be the case that secular scientists happen to believe this (which is not science but merely happens to be a scientist’s opinion), but the relevant science here is gnosiology or cognitional theory. And it is (I believe) demonstrable that human beings are naturally independent of the space-time universe, meaning that physical death does not cause persons to cease to exist.

    But “end” doesn’t mean “where does one end up”, but rather: “what is that innate orientation that particularly discloses what one is?” As human beings are essentially rational, the answer to that question is: being, truth, goodness. And as one doesn’t grasp the nature of being, truth, or goodness without grasping the nature of God it follows that human beings are naturally ordered to God.

    Insofar as that orientation lies in the intellectual nature of humankind, it is natural (though it cannot be fulfilled on the natural level). Insofar as that same orientation is taken into the higher synthesis of the kingdom of God, it is supernatural. One and the same nature, then, can the be basis for both a natural and a supernatural desire.

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    • Robert Fortuin says:

      And hence my thoughts of equivocation – “it is (I believe) demonstrable that human beings are naturally independent of the space-time universe, meaning that physical death does not cause persons to cease to exist.” That, without resort to a fat helping of metaphysics and a heaping portion of theology, will be one tall order! So you want to separate the secular from the sacred to preserve the secular sciences) on the one hand, but on the other you want let the sacred as you see fit. But how or why the supernatural is as a threat to the secular while simultaneously its explanation and completion, this you have not explained.

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      • Robert Fortuin says:

        sorry for the typos (as usual) – (Tom Belt you are not the only one) – What is Hell you ask? It is a combox without the ability to edit one’s comments………..

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      • I should clarify by secular sciences, I just mean those that can be verified without the need to appeal to special revelation as one of the conditions for its verification. Even a metaphysical argument for the existence of God would be secular in this sense, so long as it does not appeal to, e.g., the resurrection.

        By pure science I mean an intellectual discipline that seeks universal knowledge for its own sake (its aim is explanation, not description, beauty, or usefulness), that finds its expression in an abstract theory (i.e., no direct reference to experiences, but a fully abstract framework), and is verifiable (though not necessarily by experience). Thus, cosmology is not a pure science, but an application of pure sciences. Mathematics is a pure science even though its verifiability is not empirical. Aristotle’s categories don’t belong to a pure science because they are not fully abstracted from experience.

        My terminology here is mostly that of Bernard Lonergan, if that helps provide some context.

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