The Irrationality of Hopeful Universalism

Can we hope that all will be saved while at the same time disbelieving such will be the case? Or to put the question differently: Can we hope that all will be saved while simultaneously affirming the possibility that some will be eternally damned? This is the question that Catholic philosopher Michael Rea explores in his article “Hopeful Universalism.”1 His thesis is simple: it is irrational to hope for the salvation of all yet withhold belief in this outcome. Hope and belief are intertwined. As Rea puts it at the beginning of his article:

My goal in this article is to argue against the rationality of a soteriological position that has occasionally been defended in print and seems to be quite common among Christian theologians, clergy, philosophers, and laity. The position is ‘hopeful universalism’, and its components include the considered unconditional hope that soteriological universalism is true together with an absence of belief that it is true. Some proponents maintain that there is simply not enough evidence to affirm or deny universalism; others believe that scriptural evidence supports its denial, so it is probably false, but nonetheless hope they are mistaken. I will argue that worshippers of God who maintain considered hope in the truth of universalism ought either to believe universalism or seek to abandon their hope in its truth, depending (in part) on how their confidence in the considerations that steer them away from universalism measure up against the background beliefs that underwrite their hope in its truth.2

A definition is in order: soteriological universalism is “the thesis that all human beings will eventually be saved, and that this outcome is somehow guaranteed by God rather than being contingent on its just happening to turn out that all human beings freely do whatever it is (if anything) that human beings must freely do in order to be saved.”3 In the literature this construal of the greater hope is typically described as strong, necessary, or dogmatic universalism. Proponents of this position range from Clement of Alexandria, Origen of Alexandria, Diodore of Tarsus, St Gregory of Nazianzus (maybe), St Gregory of Nyssa, St Pamphilius, and St Isaac the Syrian to William Law, John Murray, Elhanan Winchester, George MacDonald, Thomas Allin, Pavel Florensky, Sergius Bulgakov, Jürgen Moltmann, Thomas Talbott, Robin Parry, and David Bentley Hart. Proponents of the weaker form of universalism, typically referred to as hopeful, contingent, or soft universalism, include St Silouan the Athonite (maybe), Karl Barth, St Sophrony of Essex (maybe), Olivier Clément, Paul Evdokimov, Hans Urs von Balthasar, Kallistos Ware, Robert Barron, Jerry Walls, and a host of others. Indeed, it is not uncommon for contemporary opponents of necessary universalism to qualify their critique by saying that that while it is heretical to declare that all will be saved, it is permissible to hope for this glorious outcome.4

Rea notes that among contemporary philosophers a broad consensus exists regarding the nature of hope, articulated in two claims:

  1. To hope for a state of affairs to obtain is, in part, to desire that it obtain.
  2. It is impossible to hope for states of affairs that one knows to obtain, and it is impossible to hope for states of affairs that one confidently believes to be impossible.

Rea states that his critique of hopeful universalism presupposes claim #1 but not claim #2, though he believes that the latter may be elaborated to strengthen his case.

To hope is to desire a specific outcome deemed as good. Philosophers debate whether desire necessarily implies the perceived goodness of its object, but for purposes of his argument, Rea restricts himself to what he calls theistic desires: i.e., “the considered desires of someone who worships God, where God is understood to have the traditional theistic attributes of omnipotence, omniscience, and perfect goodness.”5 Theistic desire is intrinsically grounded upon and directed to God and his goods.

Note the qualification “considered.” A considered desire is stronger than a fleeting hope or mere wish. It is a desire that is reflectively held, a hope that one has embraced. “In other words,” explains Rea, “they are desires that one recognizes within oneself and allows to persist unchecked.”6 He offers a quotidian example:

So, for example, in writing this article I wanted to finish it, I recognized I wanted to finish it, and (of course) feeling no inner conflict over it, I allowed the desire to persist. By contrast, I might feel some inner conflict over wanting to skip my morning run, and if I do, this will probably be because I recognize a tension between that desire and other important desires I have, like wanting to stick with my routines, or to maintain my health. In recognizing that tension, I might ‘disown’ the desire. That is, I might come to view the desire as a kind of intruder, something to be got rid of, if at all possible. That’s not to say I would succeed in ridding myself of it, or even that I wouldn’t give in to it; but I would recognize it, rather than one of the conflicting desires, as an intrusion that I would prefer to be rid of. If I do disown it, then (even if it in fact persists) it is not among my considered desires because I am not allowing it to persist unchecked. If I don’t disown it, then it remains among my considered desires.7

In daily life we are often confronted with conflicting desires, and sometimes the dissonance rises to such a level as to compel us to reorder our priorities and detach ourselves from one desire or another. Now consider how this disowning might apply to our theistic desires:

In light of this, it seems clear that rational considered theistic desires always presuppose apprehension of the object of desire as good. Worship is intimately connected with love and other related attitudes like devotion and allegiance. As such, it involves at least one of what Eleonore Stump identifies as the constitutive desires of love—specifically, desire for the good of the beloved which, in the case of God, seems equivalent to a desire to obey God and to see God’s will done on earth. It also involves a second-order desire to prioritize the satisfaction of those two constitutive desires. Human weakness virtually guarantees that we will fail sometimes to prioritize our desire for union with God and our desire to do God’s will; but if we do not at least want to want to prioritize these things, it is hard to see how we could be said to be genuine worshippers of God. But then for someone who worships God (assuming they take God to be perfectly good), desiring what they do not believe to be good will be inconsistent with their second-order desire to prioritize the constitutive desires of worship. If they are genuinely belief-neutral on whether the object of desire is good, maintaining the desire (unconditionally) is, at best, reckless in light of their second-order desires, and so hardly consistent with giving those desires priority. If they believe that the object of desire is bad, then maintaining the desire is obviously worse than reckless. Either way, then, the desire will be one that they, as worshippers of God, rationally ought to disown. Hence, it cannot be among their rational considered desires. Thus, rational considered theistic desires presuppose the goodness of what is desired.8

The critical flaw of hopeful universalism is evident. How can one rationally hope that all will be saved if one’s judgment has determined that the conclusion is improbable, if not impossible. Perhaps you reach the metaphysical conclusion that God cannot effect the salvation of the impenitent without overriding human freedom. Perhaps you become convinced that Jesus taught the damnation of the wicked as an expression of divine justice. Perhaps your church authoritatively and infallibly rejects universal salvation. And yet despite these considerations, and others, you continue to unconditionally desire the salvation of all. At this point the contingent universalist position has become plainly incoherent. If one believes, even as a possibility, that the Holy Trinity will everlastingly condemn the wicked, then to hope otherwise is to put oneself at odds with the Almighty:

Now consider a worshipper of God who believes that soteriological universalism is definitely, or very probably, false. In believing this, one is obviously committed either to the idea that it would be all things-considered good if soteriological universalism were true but God simply cannot make it so, or that God could have made it so but it would, for some reason, not be good for God to do so (perhaps because in guaranteeing that all are saved, God would have to sacrifice some greater good). The former alternative, to the extent that it differs from the latter, sacrifices divine omnipotence, and so it is not an option for people who remain committed to theism. The latter option, by contrast, is a traditional line on why soteriological universalism is false. God desires that everyone be saved, but God’s unilaterally bringing that about even for the steadfastly unrepentant would be inconsistent with divine justice, the preservation of divine glory, respect for human freedom, or some other very great good. So theistic belief that soteriological universalism is false carries with it commitment to the view that, even though there is something quite bad about its being false, it is nevertheless all-things considered good and the will of God that it be false, given human sin and rebellion and a variety of other facts about good, evil, and the relations among them. Of course, people often fail to accept all of the commitments that their beliefs carry; but this particular commitment is one that seems generally to be affirmed by those who have thought enough about soteriological universalism to believe that it is false despite hoping for its truth.9

A contingent hope in universal reconciliation presupposes at least the possibility of the realization of final reconciliation, yet if God cannot guarantee this outcome, without violating some other good (such as the integrity of personhood), or the outcome is excluded by divine revelation or infallible Church teaching—or at least by one’s good faith reading of Scripture and Holy Tradition—then the believer finds himself in a quandary. What rational choice does the hopeful universalist have but to repudiate and disown his or her eschatological desire? Even if psychologically impossible, reason obliges the Christian to at least “want to want to abandon that desire, and so not to have the considered hope that universalism be true.”10

The argument also works in reverse. If for good and decisive reasons one is unable to reject the considered desire that all shall be saved, then reason demands that one reject the possibility that some will be eternally damned:

Note, too, that although my argument started by targeting the rationality of believing that universalism is false while hoping that it is true, it might just as well have started by targeting the rationality of withholding belief one way or the other about universalism while hoping that it is true. One who withholds on universalism is committed to thinking that universalism might (for all she knows) be true. But if she also reflectively embraces hopeful universalism, she will then be in the position of having a considered desire—again, the unconditional desire that universalism be true—that conflicts with what she recognizes might be the perfectly good will of God; and so she will again have a considered desire that is inconsistent with the second-order desire to prioritize the desire to see God’s will be done, whatever it might be, over other desires of hers. The upshot, then, is that if one finds oneself unconditionally hoping that universalism is true, the rational move for one who remains committed to worshipping God is to believe that universalism is true (on the grounds that it seems all-things-considered good, and God is perfectly good) or seek to abandon one’s unconditional hope that universalism is true.11

Rea cites an analogous quandary—Israel’s destruction of the Canaanites. How do we interpret the Old Testament passages that portray the LORD as commanding herem warfare? Are we to take the divine command at biblicist face value, despite our conviction that the God of absolute love would never issue such a command?

The passages describing the conquest of Canaan are notoriously difficult. Taken at face value, they seem to teach that, to help Israel secure the promised land, God commanded the wholesale slaughter of non-combatants and the taking of women into forced marriages. Many of us are deeply sold on the idea that these sorts of behaviours are evil and so could never be commanded by a perfectly good being; and it seems to me to be wholly unproblematic to reason from that vision of goodness—a vision that I, for one, believe I have inherited from the very Bible that includes these troubling passages—to a position of confidence that God did not indeed command such things, and that we are therefore in the dark about how to understand their presence in holy scripture. Indeed, it seems unproblematic to do this even while maintaining confidence in the reliability of scripture; for, after all, it does not follow from the fact that one cannot tell what certain passages of scripture aim to teach human beings that they are unreliable in whatever content they aim to teach. In saying that the reasoning here is unproblematic, I do not, of course, mean to suggest that this approach raises no theological problems whatsoever. It does; and the problems are both deep and possibly intractable. But the problems, in my view, include first-order problems about the interpretation of scripture and second-order problems about the nature and reliability of scripture; they don’t include problems about the goodness of God or the wickedness of war crimes. So too, I think, in the case of soteriological universalism.12

Rea has named what hard universalists like myself consider to be the key problem with the doctrine of eternal damnation. Can it be convincingly reconciled with the fundamental Christian confession of the absolute goodness of God without falling into equivocity and dissumulation?13 The defenders of hell often invoke the virtue of humility at this point. If our reading of Scripture has convinced us that the wicked will be condemned to eternal conscious torment, should we not humbly acquiesce and disown our hope in the salvation of all? We are, after all, but mere creatures. As the Almighty says to Job: “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?” (Job 38:4). Transcendent goodness may well require us, therfore, to revise our most deeply held convictions of what goodness means. God has his reasons, so we are assured, for hell and the slaughter of the Canaanites. But there is another possibility. Might it be the case, asks Rea, that true piety requires that we question our hermeneutical commitments in the name of the divine goodness?

The better question, I think, is: how can it be consistent with piety or humility to leave unchallenged the hermeneutical principles that led one to interpret scripture as teaching a doctrine that, according to one’s best (and presumably scripturally shaped) conceptions of love and goodness, is inconsistent with the perfect love and goodness of God? Holding one’s hermeneutical principles doggedly fixed no matter the conclusions one reaches is not necessarily a sign of humility or piety, and is often inconsistent with both. Thus, it seems to me, what I have described as the rational move for the hopeful universalist—either embrace universalism or seek to give up the hope (depending on the outcome of one’s reflective reconsideration of one’s hermeneutical principles, among other things)—is not only a move consistent with humility and piety, but may even be required by humility and piety.13

In the next article we will survey the major objections to Rea’s proposal and his responses to them.

 

Footnotes

[1] Michael Rea, “Hopeful Universalism,” Religious Studies, 58 (March 2022): 266-283. This article was published online on 6 October 2020. My quotations will be from this text: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0034412520000402.

[2] Ibid., p. 1.

[3] Ibid., p. 2.

[4] A recent example: David C. Ford, “An Open Letter to Fr Aidan Kimel” (8 July 2020).

[5] Rea, p. 4.

[6] Ibid.

[7] Ibid., pp. 4-5.

[8] Ibid., p. 5.

[9] Ibid., p. 6.

[10] Ibid.

[11] Ibid., p. 7.

[12] Ibid.

[13] For an example of equivocity at work, presented as a kinder, gentler version of eternal damnation, see James Dominic Rooney, “Hell and the Coherence of Christian Hope,” Church Life Journal (29 November 2022). Rooney’s understanding of supernatural faith, combined with the infallibility of Church dogma, can be equally employed to justify divine voluntarism, double predestination, preterition, and any temporal horror attributed to divine judgment.

[14] Rea, p. 8.

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50 Responses to The Irrationality of Hopeful Universalism

  1. Chris says:

    I think about this often, as a Catholic. There’s a phrase from the funeral liturgy that jumps out at me. I’m an organist so I hear it all the time. During the final commendation, the priest tells us to depart “in the sure and certain hope that we shall see our brother again.” Sure and certain hope?! What is that? All week we prayed for the soul of pope Benedict. This is the Catholic way. Can there be any real doubt that this holy pastor will be saved? Of course not. So here’s how I make sense of this: the Catholic way is to PARTICIPATE in God’s plan for salvation. Our praying for it in hope is what guarantees it. We “complete what was lacking in Christs affliction” by praying for all and evangelizing. So I HOPE for all to be saved, and I EXPECT all to be saved, but I still pray for all in “sure and certain hope.” I think this is an orthodox position.

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

      Yes, you are right to hope.

      “… in the sure and certain hope that we shall see our brother again.” That line is in the official funeral liturgy? That is a very strong promise indeed!

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      • Chris says:

        Yes, that line is in the official funeral Mass. The entire thing is soaked with hopeful language. Another baffling moment is that we pray “forgive any sins they committed through human weakness.” Most Catholics will tell you the souls in purgatory have already been forgiven. The liturgy is not so clear cut, which is awesome

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    • Iainlovejoy says:

      Rea’s argument seems to be that if one is hoping for universal salvation then one must consider universal salvation to be a good, but if you don’t believe God will necessarily bring it about then, for consistency, must believe either God would be bad for not doing so, or that universalism must be bad because God does not want it.
      The flaw in the reasoning, it seems go me, is that in “hopeful universalism” the hope is in respect to mankind, not God.
      The basic difference between hopeful universalism and dogmatic universalism is that with hopeful universalism there is the belief that there is at least a theoretical set of circumstances under which a person may end up permanently in hell, usually relating to their sin, refusal to repent, stubbornness etc. The “hope” is that this set if circumstances will never in fact come about with any actual person, and the belief varies as to how likely / unlikely it is that this could actually happen.
      While I think hopeful universalism has a lot of problems and inconsistencies in it, the inconsistency alleged by Rea is not one of them. One can quite consistently believe that it would be nevertheless good for God to consign someone to hell if the specified required circumstances applied whilst hoping that they never in fact come about for anyone in practice. Indeed one can quite consistently believe that it is incredibly unlikely that they will come about for anyone, and that rather it is highly likely that everyone will, in practice, actually be saved even whilst being only a “hopeful” universalist in this sense.

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      • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

        Good comment, Iain. I will keep it in mind as I work on the next article and try to imagine how Michael Rea might respond. Most hopeful universalists with whom I’m acquainted affirm a choice model of hell. In this model, God is both incapable of effecting the conversion of a sinner (no efficacious grace) and unwilling to coerce anyone into repentance. Human choices must be honored. What then is the hopeful universalist hoping for? Before answering, throw in the Catholic dogma that a person’s fundamental orientation toward God is definitively and irreversibly settled at the time of death. (I believe Rea is a Catholic.) Anyone who dies in a state of mortal sin is everlastingly condemned to hell. In this Catholic model there is no post-mortem repentance: purgatory is reserved for the already-saved.

        Given the above, it makes good Catholic sense to affirm that eternal damnation is a genuine possibility for every human being. Moreover, if it is a possibility, then we must affirm it as eschatologically willed/permitted by the good God. So what precisely is the Catholic hopeful universalist hoping for? What are the odds that no human being has died and will ever die in a state of mortal sin? If God is impotent before human choosing, what can God actually do in answer to our prayers?

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        • Iainlovejoy says:

          I sense that “hopeful universalists” who are Catholics are keeping themselves (just?) within Catholic orthodoxy by conceding that it is at least a theoretical possibility that someone might die in mortal sin (in the Catholic sense) but that the nature of God and the unlikelihood / incoherence of the idea of someone willingly and with full knowledge condemning themselves to hell makes this vanishing unlikely (as opposed to actually impossible as e.g. Thomas Talbot or DBH would argue).

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          • Matthew Porter-Valbracht says:

            That’s basically it, in terms of mainstream hopeful universalists in the Catholic Church, the hope that ultimately nobody will fully reject God in this life and therefore can ultimately be saved via purgatory. I wouldn’t call in “just” within Catholic orthodoxy, considering that the theologian responsible for popularizing the belief was heavily praised and honored by the last two popes and the current standard bearer was promoted to bishop. And the catechism is rather vague, if not even coy, noting the possibility of damnation but also saying that nobody is beyond hope of salvation.

            Actually there is a greater possible range of beliefs for Catholics because of the Eastern Catholics in communion with Rome, who are not required to accept Catholic teachings on purgatory.

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  2. Matthew Porter-Valbracht says:

    The majority of this article seems to be based on a misconception as to what hopeful universalists actually believe. It is not a matter of hoping all will be saved while at the same time believing this to be impossible. Rather they (we?) believe that we may reasonably, or even confidently, hope that all will be saved.

    It would seem that the misconception is due to the belief that if universalism is a heresy to be orthodox one must believe that all will not be saved. But in the Catholic church this is clearly not the case, since the two major standard bearers of hopeful universalism, Barron and Balthasar, have both been given promotions by their respective popes after expressing that we can truly hope all will be saved.

    Therefore the heresy, if there is one, would be saying that we can know for certain that all will be saved or that it would be categorically impossible for someone to reject the love of God. Perhaps even George MacDonald, from what I’ve read of his Unspoken Sermons, would not be considered a heretic by this standard, since he never says that it would be impossible for a soul to choose to remain in the outer darkness but merely that he finds it unimaginable.

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    • I believe the article agrees with you that “It is not a matter of hoping all will be saved while at the same time believing this to be impossible.” It states in multiple places that “hopeful universalists” only hold out the possibility of damnation, which is exactly what you said. Did I misunderstand something in your comment? The point is that if one thinks damnation is even possible, then one should NOT (contra Balthasar) dare to hope for the salvation of all, given any reasonable definition of “hope”—since you may find yourself desiring something God does not desire (at least not ultimately).

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      • Matthew Porter-Valbracht says:

        I suppose it would be for the author of the post to clarify what he actually meant to say, or if he is in fact summarizing what somebody else said.

        I think though that by the standard you gave, any sort of hope that isn’t dogmatically grounded would be ruled out. For instance, I couldn’t hope to get a particular job, because it might not be God’s will, I couldn’t hope to find a wife because God might will for me to be single, etc.

        In a way, hope in this sense is just saying “I don’t really know how things are, but from my limited point of view, this is how I would wish them to be.” It is not the same as the theological virtue of hope, which is hope in God and not any specific outcome.

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        • I mean, in those cases, couldn’t you just ask God whether it’s possible and salutary and so whether hope is justified? I don’t see why you have to resign yourself to being left in the dark. For all you know it MIGHT be God’s will for you to get that job until he explicitly tells you otherwise, even if it also might not be. I perceive a difference between that situation and the case of “hopeful universalism”, where confidently believing in apokatastasis in the present, while the outcome remains in some sense (at least from our vantage point) uncertain, is definitely known to be against God’s will, supposedly. I’m not sure I’m explaining this well, but there really is no rational middle ground between trusting fully in universal salvation and rejecting it entirely—if God wants you to believe it now, then you have a duty to do so, while if God wants you not to believe it now, then you had better not even allow yourself to hope for it. I think this is probably just an issue of semantics, though, where some people use the word “hope” in a non-technical sense of “oh, well, I can imagine a world where that happens, and that would be kind of nice” rather than in the somewhat more precise sense described above. I doubt we actually have a genuine disagreement over concepts. But I will probably have to read Wittgenstein before I can speak intelligently about this.

          Now that I think about it, maybe we COULD make room for a universalist hope (in the technical sense) unaccompanied by certainty if we wanted to say that we can’t possibly be sure what God wants us to believe right now about the matter—which might make H.U. a theoretically tenable position, but then, if for all we know we might be defying God’s will in our beliefs anyway no matter what they are, we might as well choose the belief that’s most fun, viz., confident universalism. And anyway since apokatastasis is the truth (this becomes obvious once one studies metaphysics a little), we already know what God would have us believe, so it’s a moot point. And then we get into the issue that it’s probably (or certainly?) not even in our power to make ourselves believe anything anyway; belief (to the extent that that English word corresponds to pistis in Greek) comes from God, right? Now, that raises an issue I don’t quite understand—why would God not gladly give all the faith it’s possible to have to anyone who asks for it? But I digress.

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      “It is not a matter of hoping all will be saved while at the same time believing this to be impossible. Rather they (we?) believe that we may reasonably, or even confidently, hope that all will be saved.”

      Matthew, there are of course many different varieties of hopeful universalism, which we will cover in the next article. In the meantime I encourage you to read Rea’s article. It’s possible I have not accurately represented his argument. If so, let me know.

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    • JP says:

      // It would seem that the misconception is due to the belief that if universalism is a heresy to be orthodox one must believe that all will not be saved. But in the Catholic church this is clearly not the case, since the two major standard bearers of hopeful universalism, Barron and Balthasar, have both been given promotions by their respective popes after expressing that we can truly hope all will be saved. //

      I wouldn’t put too much weight on that. Priests and bishops usually have a lot of views on a lot of Catholic theological topics (even if they’re sometimes flawed or mistaken), and it’s usually their general service and competence that leads them to rise through the ranks rather than any specific theological view they do or don’t hold.

      There isn’t a huge impulse for heresy hunting in the modern Catholic Church anyways; and if there are concerns, it’s usually over an entirely different set of issues, like “is sexual promiscuity totally okay?”

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  3. Ed H. says:

    I agree with Matthew that Rea’s article is a red herring. It is silly to think that because I am hopeful about something, that means I actually disbelieve it. And bringing in the Canaanites is a ridiculous analogy.

    A hopeful Universalist does indeed believe that God does not send people to Hell. But he is also aware of the tremendous obstinance that reigns in the hearts of some. Perhaps Rea and others should do more pastoral ministry where they can see firsthand people’s unbelievable ability to rationalize their own unbelief. (Or, he could just read the Great Divorce.) He might be more humble in the realization of how much, and how long, it takes to be converted.

    Rea ends up sounding like a Calvinist, with his talk of Irresistible Grace.

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    • Do you think irresistible grace is a mistaken doctrine? I hate Calvinism, but that’s one of the theological topics I most enjoy thinking about (not because it gives me license to sin knowing I’ll be forgiven, but because I know I can count on not being able to sin forever, no matter how hard I try, so I might as well give up trying).

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      • Robert F says:

        The idea of being predestined to reconciliation with God is also a comforting idea to me. What makes Calvinism repulsive is not the doctrine of predestination to reconciliation, but that only some are so predestined, while others are predestined to an unending Hell.

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      “It is silly to think that because I am hopeful about something, that means I actually disbelieve it.”

      Rea most definitely does not say anything like the above. Please do read his hyperlinked article.

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  4. I find a sentence from the piece linked in note 4 amusing: “And who has the authority and the certain knowledge of the future to declare unequivocally that everyone, including the Devil and all his hosts, will repent and be saved in the end?” Who has that authority? Well, uh, I have. So have you, and everyone else. God requires nothing less from us. It really confuses me how we shrink back from seizing the power the Divine wants to give us (as mentioned in John 1:12), when the Letter to the Hebrews exhorts us to do the opposite. Are we all scared or something?

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    • Reading further, I see that in general that letter feels extremely creepy and full of fear. Truly diabolical. (Also the dramatic irony of the author combatting the truth in the name of defending the truth is off the charts—clearly God has a sense of humor.) How can people profess such things? Someone help me understand. I mean, I was indoctrinated to believe something similar, but I don’t know how a thinking person can make it past the age of about 30 without waking up. (The last sentence of the prelude thing to Part One of The Experience of God (do italics work in these comments?) comes to mind.) Organized religion really does bad things to our minds…

      I suppose the solution to my confusion may be found in the very letter spawning the conclusion. Is this state of affairs an example of something “intended by our Lord to defy human reasoning, as one of His ways to keep us humbly reliant upon Him in all things”?

      And the irony rockets into the Kuiper belt in that last paragraph. “And let’s all remember our Lord’s sobering words about being a stumbling block to any one of His little ones: ‘Better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he be drowned in the sea.'” A stumbling block is precisely what defenders of an eternal hell present to me and countless others. What is going on here? How do people not see this?

      Apologies for ranting and raving. I’m just tired of being confused and hoping someone can enlighten me. There’s nothing good in me that has led to my faith in apokatastasis. So what’s hindering others from the same liberation, if not God himself holding them in unbelief? Is that how we’re supposed to apply Romans 11:32? Am I just getting impatient and trying to rush things along faster than God intends? Why don’t we all make more of an effort to think perfectly rationally??

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      • Eek. I’m not sure what possessed me to write “conclusion” in the second paragraph when I obviously meant to write “confusion” a second time.

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      • Wait, maybe the answer is obvious. We all do already truly have gnosis indicating that apokatastasis is true. Most of us are just afraid to admit it to ourselves and need help. And God lets us share in the task of helping each other get over our fear instead of doing it all (directly) on his own because it would be kind of selfish of him to keep all the fun involved in salvation to himself, right? So what’s the best strategy for unearthing this divine spark (if you’re comfortable calling it that) residing within everyone? Just act like Jesus until people ask you how you’re capable of that kind of life?

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      • Robert Fortuin says:

        The argument made by Dr. Ford is an appeal to authority – tradition, the fathers, the church, scripture, and so forth. This is always a show-stopper, shutting down conversation. Who can argue with authority? Then the “mystery” trump-card is used (“who can know the mind of God?”) and for good measure the double whammy assertion that human reason is inherently untrustworthy is added. The one-two sucker punch.

        And then we wonder why people don’t want to know that God.

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        • Robert F says:

          “Authority” claims a monopoly on knowing the mind of God, and it does that by rigging the language game. What authority really means is, “Who are you, a nobody, to think that you can know the mind of God? We are the sole possessors of such knowledge! We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx!”

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          • armsopenwide says:

            We are exhorted to obey (or at the least respect) our leaders. But authority becomes compromised when even Church Fathers disagree. Or our present day priests. It is hard to discount a majority view, but then again a truth is not constituted by a majority vote. Our Orthodox Church Bishops do receive a charism at their ordination though. But the question of infallibility comes to the fore. Are the Ecumenical Council’s infallible? If the Bible is necessarily subject to interpretation, is not the same true of the Ecumenical Councils? I’ve come to the conclusion that human involvement in the “traditioning” of truth cancels any kind of infallibility. As Barth held, “the Bible contains the Word of God.” As to the Councils, while we obey our leaders, we cannot extinguish our doubts about certain matters that remain. disputed.

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  5. This “hopeful ultimate salvation of All” reminds me of Karl Barth’s commentary on the Book of Romans. Barth stated that even from the Book of Romans concerning the universality of the Gospel, “You have to be a dumb ox not to see it, and a jackass to tell it”, which is a way, I suppose of keeping it in “Reserve” for those who aren’t spiritually mature and those who are heathen–I suppose to try to deter crimes and evils. So, I think that Barth was more than a “hopeful Christian universalist”. Like many Christian scholars and saints through church history, Barth must have followed “the dogma of Reserve”– keeping it a secret from the general public.

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    • Do you think “reserve” is a good policy? It seems to me that it’s time to abandon it because it has done much more harm than good, even though it probably does help prevent some bad things from happening sometimes, if people really require fear as a motivator.

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      • Robert Fortuin says:

        It’s bad policy, very bad. Evil is overcome by good, not by more evil and lies. We don’t stop evil by twisting God into a monster.

        As Fr Kimel aptly put it above, “Can it be convincingly reconciled with the fundamental Christian confession of the absolute goodness of God without falling into equivocity and dissimulation?”

        The goodness of God, His character, His beauty, love and light, this is twisted into a dark and hellish nightmare in the process of “reserve” policies. There ain’t no reserves in the proclamation of the Gospel, not a shred held back.

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        • Robert F says:

          The kind of misconception about the nature and character of God that such a holding in reserve allows to metastasize, with all the attendant evils committed by devotees who sink to the level of moral depravity that they believe they behold in their deity, makes it a very bad policy indeed.

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  6. Fr Aidan Kimel says:

    I have edited the article a bit to better address some of the concerns and questions raised in the combox. I hope also that the next article will bring further clarification of Rea’s proposal.

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  7. Ed H. says:

    There is a long and venerable history of ‘Reserve’ in teaching Universalism. See Mark Scott’s article in Journal of Early Christianity 18:3, where he deals in great detail with Origen’s ‘Reserve’ in proclaiming Universalism to others. This goes further back again to Jesus’ multiple statements about hiding mysteries from people lest they see and hear. And Jesus, of course, is quoting Isaiah in part. So this approach has a long, long history.
    This ‘Reserve’ or caution is something that today’s Universalists refuse to address. It is part of the spiritual maturity of handling these important doctrines that Universalists of today do not understand.

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    • I’m not sure about that. I don’t refuse to address it; I address it head-on as follows: we should do away with it entirely and let the chips fall where they may. Christianity is not meant to be a mystery religion, is it?

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      • Ed H. says:

        Green,

        You could give your viewpoint an opportunity to be challenged by looking at the words of Isaiah, Jesus and Origen and uncover why they have a different viewpoint than you do.

        Blessings on you,

        Ed

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  8. Ed H. says:

    Green,

    You could give your own viewpoint the opportunity to be challenged by looking at the words of Isaiah, Jesus, and Origen and consider why they have a different viewpoint than you do.

    Blessings on you,

    Ed

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  9. Robert Fortuin says:

    😉

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  10. Jason B says:

    As Hart helpfully summarized, “Anyone who hopes for the universal reconciliation of creatures with God must already believe that this would be the best possible ending to the Christian story; and such a person has then no excuse for imagining that God could bring any but the best possible ending to pass without thereby being in some sense a failed creator.” (That All Shall Be Saved, p. 66)

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    • armsopenwide says:

      I had an earlier reply that included my sense that there is no infallibility where humans are involved, neither in the Bible nor in Councils. The 4th needed to be fixed ( or completed) by the 5th, and the 5th has hotly disputed elements, namely the condemnation of a number of clergy who died in communion with the Church, and apocatastasis.

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  11. armsopenwide says:

    We also cannot trust our own limited minds to definitively establish the truth of those matters. And so as God’s judgments are inscrutable (though the context of Romans 11 points in a hopeful direction), and mercy triumphs over judgment (James) and our Lord Jesus’ forgiveness of his betrayers and crucifiers as as reflecting a divine attribute, I remain as very, very hopeful of the ultimate purification of all people. But considering human limits, including my own, I won’t embrace certainty either way, even though I very much wish to.

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    • Robert Fortuin says:

      I don’t think universalists need to provide empirical proof to demonstrate the reasonableness of their faith that All will be in all.

      By the standard you raise all matters of faith are measuredly dismissed as uncertain, and for which a cold agnosticism is the only fitting response. This swallows up the entire biblical canon, not to speak particularly of the incarnation and the resurrection.

      No bueno amigo.

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      • armsopenwide says:

        Only those mysteries that remain hidden are uncertain . The Trinity, Christ’s death, l invasion of Hades, resurrection, ascention and second coming are revealed mysteries. The Word contained in the Bible and the theological and christological truths hashed out in the Councils are revealed mysteries. But there is always something new to be learned as we mature in Christ; we must consider our understanding of some Divine Revelations as provisional.

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        • Robert Fortuin says:

          Amen!

          Our position is simple: the absolute, unconditional mystery of the love and goodness of God is manifestly and incontrovertibly revealed, laid open to all, in the person of Jesus Christ. To wit, we hold steadfastly to God as the “All in all” with no less certainty as we hold the truth of the Trinity, the resurrection, and the second parousia.

          It is, in short, the revealed moral character of God which is the reasonable ground for faith in the salvation of all. The character of God accomplished the Paschal triumph over death, the absolute harrowing of Hades.

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    • Can we not know infallibly that two and two make four? This is essentially no different.

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      Armsopenwide, I believe that we can have in fact have theologically certainty that God will restore all humanity to himself once we conclude, on the basis of God’s self-revelation in Christ, that God is absolute, unconditional love. This is the big step, nor is it an easy and obvious step, as demonstrated by the different understandings of the divine character throughout the history of the Church. But once the Spirit brings a person to this deep conviction, there really is no going back. One either commits oneself unconditionally to this apprehension of the unconditionality of divine grace, or one remains in stuck in that terrible grey area “maybe God is love, maybe he isn’t.” If I didn’t believe that God is absolute love, I could not remain a Christian. I describe my own journey into the greater hope in my book Destined for Joy. You may find it helpful.

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  12. armsopenwide says:

    As to proceeding without infallibility, we obey our ordained leaders as having received the charisms to lead us in the Way, while acknowledging that they are fallible human beings as well. St. Irenaeus was a premillenialist. Some of Origen’s speculations were over the top. St. John Chrysostom was too blunt. St. Cyril of Alexandria conducted the 3rd Ecumenical Council before the Antiochian arrived. St. Gregory the Theologian disparaged Councils. The Holy Spirit Will succeed in leading the Church into all the truth despite human fallability. As to God’s loving character, I’m convinced! But why do many say that there can be no repentance after death? They cite the nature of eternal time. It’s not convincing to me, but it cannot be ruled out because the nature of eternity cannot be understood while we are in this finite life. Also, the human being is a mystery we cannot fully understand as to the nature of our being. Yes, we’re made in God’s image and we have free will, but the nature of these are disputed. The nature of gehenna is disputed, simply because it is a branch of eternity, of our afterlife. If we cannot comprehend what life in heaven is like, as the Scriptures indicate, the same must be true of those who are resurrected to judgment (John 5). It makes all the sense in the world to me that purification will happen, because God is Love. And as St. Silouan says, “Love could not bear” everlasting damnation. I cannot conceive that God would do this. Does that make me a universalist? I also believe that depths of the nature of human existence and the depths of the nature of the afterlife can be understood by me or anyone else. I trust God, and hold firmly to to the sense that the universalism of St. Isaac the Syrian, which involves an intense and painful purification process for those who have not repented in this life, leading eventually to beatitude. But can I state it as a fact, in light of the depths of the mysteries I’ve mentioned, which I cannot plumb? That’s the issue for me. By the way, I do believe the Bible is inspired and is the foundation of the teachings of the apostles and Church fathers, and that Councils are the best way to discern what is truth and what is heresy, and that the undivided Church is the place for a Christian to be. But “to err is human,” and there will always be messes to clean up.

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      Once the discussion moves to one of ecclesial authority and infallibility, then the discussion is over, for obvious reasons. The invocation of authority trumps all other considerations. At that point the intrinsic merits of the universalist proposal cease to be relevant.

      I think Michael Rea would say that if a person is convinced that the Church has infallibly rejected universal salvation, then he or she has a good reason to believe, and rationally should believe, the doctrine of eternal damnation.

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  13. Edward says:

    I wonder if anyone has ever considered a corollary of the infernalist position. God has freely created the world knowing full well that some, many, or most of those created in His image will end up in eternal misery. What does this say about God’s attitude towards those who are lost and, consequently about what our attitude should be? If God is okay with so many lost souls, and if we are to be imitators of God, then it follows that we should also be okay with it. In other words, there is no need to evangelize the lost unless we believe that our work of evangelism is a cooperation in God’s plan to save all.

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  14. armsopenwide says:

    The hierarchs have authority over my action, but not over my thought. As a chanter, I chant things that I find questionable. I don’t like it, but I do it anyway. I question the historicity of the Proto-Evangelium of James, for instance; it definitely seems to be embellishment. But I certainly accept the Nicene Creed and what the Ecumenical Councils established concerning Christology an Theology. There are just a few things that make no sense to me right on the surface (and not when the matter is obviously deeper than human comprehension can encompass).
    I did have to bite my lip when he said eternal time does not allow for the departed to change at all, and also when he agreed with a layperson that St. Gregory of Nyssa. Priests are teachers in the Orthodox Church. It would be unseemly to challenge him publicly. Especially as I am not a scholar; I’m just a well read Church Reader.
    Authority is a necessity in this present evil age, unfortunately. Acts 20 and St. Irenaeus. The nature of the afterlife is for the Church militant is simply not revealed. How can we speak of certainties? God is the Judge. Also, God is Love.
    “To err is human; to forgive is Divine” will be fully unpacked on that Day.

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      ASW, you have obviously given this question a great deal of thought and prayer. May the Lord bless you and keep you.

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  15. armsopenwide says:

    Romans 11: inscrutable judgments; His ways past finding out. How does that make this matter as simple as 2 + 2= 4?

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