The Meta-Historical Fall of the Cosmos: Intriguing but Is It True?

Jesse Hake’s stimulating article “From Out of Another Kind of Time” has forced me to ask, “What do I really think about the hypothesis of a meta-historical Fall of humanity?” Not that I haven’t thought about the question before. It’s been quietly tenanting in my sub­con­sciousness ever since I read David Hart’s The Doors of the Sea almost two decades ago. At the time I thought David was alluding to a pre-cosmic angelic Fall, but a few years ago he corrected me on that point. No, he explained, his own view is closer to that of Sergius Bulgakov. So I dipped into The Bride of the Lamb (specifically chapter 3) and read the Russian theologian’s ruminations on the pre-cosmic Fall. That was a mistake! I found myself in Wonderland, right along with Alice, the Mad Hatter, the Cheshire Cat, and the Caterpillar smoking his hookah on a mushroom.

I exaggerate. In fact, I found Bulgakov’s analysis of why Genesis 1-3 requires a mythological form quite agreeable. “A myth, in the positive sense of this concept,” he explains, “is a story, expressed in a language not proper to the empirical domain, about what lies beyond this domain, about what belongs to the meta-empirical domain and meta-history.”1 I admit I wasn’t sure exactly what he meant by meta-history, but I assimilated the term to my own Tolkien-informed understanding of myth. But then Bulgakov goes on to say about Genesis 1-3:

An event is described that lies beyond our history, although at its boundary. Being connected with our history, this event inwardly permeates it. But this event cannot be perceived in the chain of empirical events, for it is not there. It took place, but beyond the limits of this world: After the expulsion of our progenitors from Eden, its gates were locked, and an angel with a fiery sword protects this boundary of being that has become transcendent for us. But this event took place precisely in this world, or at least for this world.2

What kind of event, I began to wonder, is Bulgakov really talking about? And then he began discussing—with absolute seriousness—the world soul, creaturely and divine Sophia, the proto-Adam, the pre-temporal Fall, etc. I was clueless and remain clueless. I knew that my tiny brain would never ever comprehend this aspect of Bulgakov’s theology. In 2021 I published on Eclectic Orthodoxy an article by George Repper titled “Bulgakov and the Foundations of Creaturely Freedom.” In this fascinating piece Repper summarizes the Russian theologian’s view that God’s creation of the world required the pre-temporal consent of the creation. What‽ I found, and continue to find, this claim unfathomable. At that point, if not before, I concluded that Bulgakov had been smoking the same hallu­cin­o­gen as Lewis Carrol’s caterpillar. And so I ceased to ponder any more about his meta-historical thesis. It’s too exotic, too abstruse and esoteric. Most critically, it just doesn’t seem relevant to my core Christian convictions. As my seminary professor Robert Cooper liked to whimsically remark, “Interesting, if true.”

But I cannot simply dismiss the Bulgakovian-Hartian hypothesis. Those who have read my series on J. R. R. Tolkien’s Ainulindalë know how fascinated I am by the topic, at least when expressed in mythopoeic form. Mythology and fairy tales, I have long believed, communicate reality that transcends empirical apprehension. Contrary to the pre-Christian C. S. Lewis, they are not “lies breathed through silver.” Myths speak deep and profound truths and disclose reality in startling ways. So if the author of the Silmarillion can entertain a pre-cosmic Fall of the Ainur, how can I ignore, much less deride, the intuitions of Bulgakov and Hart that the fall of humanity took place not in historical time but in a “time” before time? Why could the Fall not be a mysterious event metaphysically antecedent to the Big Bang, a happening that “ruined primordial creation in a catastrophic manner”?3 Would not a meta-historical Fall offer a superior explanation for the evil of animal predation and suffering which predates the Adamic sin? And would it not better explain human wickedness, suffering, and death? Yes it would, I have to conclude. Consi­der how much simpler our lives would be if we did not have to defend a historical fall of humanity. But still I ask, is it true?

Six years ago, I read Paul Griffith’s book Decreation. I found it illuminating, provocative, challenging. Griffiths proposes that when angels refused grace creaturely, the fabric of cosmic temporality was grievously damaged. He calls it the devastation. There are now two kinds of time: fallen, metronomic time and unfallen, systolic time. The former comes first in Giffiths’ analysis, as it is the form of temporality that shapes our daily lives. Simply stated, metronomic time is time measured by the clock:

Metronomic time, as the name suggests, is regular and measurable: its law (nomos) is measure (metron). The means of measuring it are various, and include the movements of the sun or other heavenly bodies relative to the earth, and the rates of growth and decay of material substances. The former give us days and nights and months and years; the latter provide smaller intervals, down to and beyond the zeptosecond or the ictus. But all these means of measure are derived from—or just are—kinds of creaturely motion. The constellations wheel; the moon circles the earth; the tides surge; the shadow of night’s darkness moves westward across the planet’s globe; the human body ages and changes and moves; atoms of carbon decay; the gluon and the lepton and the hadron and the boson orbit and connect and disconnect, forming and reforming; the sand sifts softly through the hourglass’ throat; the psalm-syllables are chanted with tongue and lips and vocal chords and intakings and expellings of breath; diges­tion’s peristaltic rhythm proceeds, making nourishment possible; the pulse beats and the eyes blink—all these are creaturely movements in space that are also, or may also be, means of measuring duration.4

The defining mark of metronomic time is decay in movement toward nothingness. Its weight, says Griffiths, “bears all creatures that labor under it down into death.” It is “the heartbeat of a damaged but still beautiful cosmos, the hammer that knocks all coffin-nails firmly and finally home.”

Tick-tock.
Tick-tock.
Tick-tock.

Boredom and dread rule our lives. We are prisoners waiting on death row for our inevitable expiry. In the words of John Donne: “All our life is but a going out to the place of Execution.”

Systolic time, on the other hand, is time as healed by the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus—temporality in eschatological wholeness. Griffiths invokes the contracting heart-beat to describe it:

The systole, physiologically speaking, is the regular contraction of the heart as necessary prelude to the driving of blood outward from itself; it is a contraction that prepares the organism for a movement essential to the sustaining of its life. To call time “systolic,” then, is to suggest that it is contracted, gathered, tensed, ready for life-giving action.6

It may seem that the death of Jesus changed nothing. The tick-tock continues as it always has. The alarm clock awakens us at 5:30; we grab a cup of coffee and drive to work; eight hours later we begin our journey home; we eat dinner, watch a little TV, and are back in bed by 11:00. And so it drearily goes, day after day. Yet in the Holy Eucharist of the Church, the baptized proleptically participate in the systolic time of the Kingdom:

The crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus lie at the heart of time. That time is contracted by those events, pleated and folded around them, gathered by them into a tensely dense possibility. By and in those events, the events of the passion, metronomic duration, the regularly measurable fabric of timespace, is systolated: it has folds or gatherings in it because of its contraction. The principal fold is exactly that provided by the passion: there, time is folded most thickly, pleated most delicately and intricately, contracted—systolated—most tightly; there (then) eternity’s relation to the devastation’s metronomic death hammer is most intense and most trans­formative; it is that death hammer that drives the nails through the flesh of Jesus and the spear into his side, and it is the hyperdurational events that follow (death, deposition, burial, descent ad inferos, hell’s harrowing, resurrection, ascension) that remove them, and provide the necessary conditions for the casting of Christ’s blood out into the cosmos and into our hearts. The passion is to the fabric of timespace just as the heart’s systole is to our bodies. Time receives its proper order in the passion, and it is an order opposed in every significant way to the time of the metronome.7

In heaven the tick-tock is no more. There is only life eternal, blessedness and joy within the eschatological movement that transcends all measurement:

Heaven’s time, by contrast, maintains and intensifies to the maximum the signs of temporal grace evident in the devastation, and removes all unen­durability. This is to say that heaven’s time is exclusively nonmetronomic; all that, an artifact of the fall as it is, has been burned away. What remains is the systole perfected, the tensive, gathered time of the liturgy now extended to infinity. Just as the passion-centered liturgical calendar is cyclical and repetitive here in the devastation, so too is systolic time in heaven: it is the indrawn breath of the LORD, which concentrates time around the sacred heart, the beating heart of Jesus, and which is drawn in again and again, gathering and folding the temporal into itself. But the systole implies, as well, a diastole: the heart’s contraction, as preparation for forcing blood through the arteries, is followed by a dilation or relax­ation, which is what does the forcing. Systole and diastole go together, and together they form a repeated, life-giving cycle. My account of the systole so far was in terms of the healing of time in the devastation. There—here—time was contracted or folded or gathered, but not yet expanded. The church was encouraged by Paul to live as if time had been folded, but not yet opened out. . . .

In heaven that has happened. The annihilation there of metronomic time is coincident with the full expansion of the systole into the diastole. The indrawn breath is exhaled; the resurrected and ascended flesh of Christ sits now, fully present, at the center of the faithful; and the time of heaven is a constant, endless, back-and-forth of praise and love between the saints and the LORD, an inbreath and outbreath of gift-given and gift- received-by-being-returned. This endlessly repeated but temporally structured cycle is the temporal form of the beatific vision: it is how temporal creatures see the LORD, the maximal extent of creaturely participation in the LORD’s eternity.8

But what caused this drastic distortion of creaturely temporality? Following St Augustine and the Latin tradition, Griffths identifies the pre-cosmic rebellion of the spiritual beings we call angels. At the moment of their creation, the angels are granted vision of the uncreated Light, but some immediately avert their gaze. They turn to the darkness, the void of which the Vulgate translation of Genesis 1:2 speaks. “As they do this,” explains Griffiths, “they fall, interlacing their light with darkness, losing intimacy, though never completely, with the LORD, and beginning to seek, vainly of course, for a mode of existence independent of the LORD’s.”9 And as they seek the nothingness, they inflict maximal damage upon God’s good creation. Systolic time shatters, and a disfigured, metronomic cosmos is born.

Chaos.
Entropy.
Death.
Tick-tock.

If we take the fall of the angels seriously, says Griffiths, then we must say that timespace was corrupted immediately upon its creation. All other beings, therefore, issue from and into an already damaged cosmos. “The angelic fall,” comments Griffiths, “provides the context and the frame for everything that is to follow.”10

But what about the biblical account of the human fall of which Genesis mythologically speaks? What about Eden? Griffiths takes the biblical account with the utmost gravity and proposes that God created Eden as a systolic paradise immune to the ravages of fallen time, immune to death. Imagine, if you will, an island in the ocean of the metronome surrounded by a supernatural force field. Within this protected space, humanity is created, exempt from the suffering and death that afflicts the animals that live under the metro­nome. Within this enclosure the first humans are tempted by Satan (“Eat and you shall become gods, knowing good and evil”). They yield to the temptation, fall from grace, and are expelled from the Garden. The rest is metronomic history.

Griffiths notes one significant advantage of his account of the Fall: it does not conflict with the scientific account of the origin and formation of our present universe. Specifically:

  • It does not pose any problems for the creation of nonhuman animals long before the creation of human beings.
  • It does not pose any problems for the reality of suffering and death among the various species of nonhuman animals.
  • It does not pose any problems for the manifest chaos and entropy of the inanimate created order.

Modern science, of course, cannot confirm Griffiths’ speculative hypothesis; but neither can it disconfirm it, no more than it can confirm or disconfirm God’s creation, con­ser­vation, and providential direction of the universe. As the eminent Orthodox theologian Olivier Clément, appealing to the Eastern Fathers, writes:

Holy fathers, delving into the biblical texts, showed that the Fall repre­sented a cosmic catastrophe, an eclipse of the paradisiacal mode of being and emergence of a new mode of existence in the whole universe. . . . Geology and paleontology, with all their achievements, stop at the gate of paradise, for it is a different state of existence. Science cannot reach beyond the Fall, because it itself is a part of the fallen state of the world, being inseparable from spatial, temporal and material conditions that arose from the destruction of paradisiacal state.11

I have spent this lengthy amount of metronomic time summarizing Paul Griffiths account of the Fall because it offers an alternative to the views of Bulgakov and Hart. Is it true? I do not know, but I find it plausible—and it’s preachable.

But let’s now return to the meta-historical thesis advanced by Bulgakov and Hart. Their account shares the strengths of Griffiths’ proposal. Both provide a narrative of the Fall that is consonant with the reigning cosmological theory of the origin of the universe, thus committing the physicists to a reluctant silence. But their thesis offers one advantage over Griffith’s: it does not need to posit an historical Eden miraculously protected by divine grace from the destructive power of devastated time. In the meta-historical account, the fall of humanity occurs (logically, not temporally) in the Edenic time before time, before the advent of our empirical universe. As Hart puts it:

Thus we may say, as fantastic as it seems—and as fantastic as it truly is when reduced to fundamentalist literalism regarding the myth of Eden—that all suffering, sadness, and death, however deeply woven into the fabric of earthly existence, is the consequence of the depravities of rational creatures, not of God’s intentions. Not that we can locate the time, the place, or the conditions of that event. That ours is a fallen world is not a truth demonstrable to those who do not believe; Christians can see it only within the story of Christ, in the light cast back from his saving action in history upon the whole of time. The fall of rational creation and the conquest of the cosmos by death is something that appears to us nowhere within the course of nature or history; it comes from before and beyond both. We cannot search it out within the closed totality of the damaged world because it belongs to another frame of time, another kind of time, one more real than the time of death—perhaps the divine or angelic aeon beyond the corrup­ti­ble subsidereal world of chronos, or perhaps the Dreamtime or the super­celes­tial realm of the pure forms or the Origenist heaven of the primordial intelligences, or what have you.12

Perhaps, for the sake of unsophisticated minds like my own, we may simplify the meta-historical thesis in this way: the fall of mankind occurred “before” the appearance of the empirical universe 13.82 billion years ago, and by the will and transcedent action of God, it also initiated, or triggered, the explosive event of the Big Bang. As with Griffiths’ hypo­the­sis, modern science can neither disprove or prove these claims. Physicists, after all, acknowledge that they cannot get behind the original singularity that births the universe, just as they acknowledge that the hypothesis of the multiverse cannot be experimentally demonstrated. Yes, the meta-historical hypothesis is speculative but no more so than the many theological attempts advanced to reconcile traditional Christian accounts of the Fall with evolution.13

Theologians may well ask, Does the supramundane thesis enjoy the support of Holy Scripture and the theological tradition. As far as the latter, Church Fathers like St Gregory of Nyssa, St Maximus the Confessor, and John Scottus Eriugena can be constructively invoked for support. As to the former, while the biblical support may be meager (and many would say nonexistent), the very fact that Genesis 2-3 is articulated in mythological form means that it can be interpreted as pointing to a pre-temporal event. And if the apocalyptic reading of St Paul should prove valid, then even he might be enlisted as a possible supporter. As Hart has repeatedly reminded us, the Apostle is remarkably dualistic, even gnostic, in his apprehension of the cosmos in need of radical rescue.14

But is it true? I honestly do not know. I am sympathetic to the theodicial concerns and moral intuitions that drive the meta-historical thesis. I have genuine reservations regarding the claim that the present cosmos, as it has developed since day one, reflects God’s original intention. Putting to the side the human dimension, the violence, suffering, and death of animals troubles me greatly. Given what we know from science about the origin and formation of the universe and the evolutionary emergence of rational human beings, how can the Adamic sin as an event in history be held responsible for animal suffering over the eons that preceded it? And when human suffering, horrific evil, and death are brought back into the equation, my concerns increase exponentially. The God of absolute love and goodness should have done better. Nor do I feel comfortable retreating to the Thomist answer (espoused, e.g., by Herbert McCabe and Brian Davies) that because of the divine transcendence we are not in a position to judge the Almighty by our moral standards. It is precisely the revelation of God’s infinite goodness in Jesus Christ that confronts me with the question of theodicy. What I cannot in conscience do is employ a literalistic reading of Holy Scripture or fideistically assert a fallible patristic opinion. Biblical and patristic fundamentalism is an intellectual dead-end.

Ultimately I come back to my identity as a (retired) pastor, preacher, and catechist. In my judgment, the purpose of theology is to guide the preaching of the gospel. Do the specu­la­tive proposals of Paul Griffiths, Sergius Bulgakov, Alexander Khramov, and David Bentley Hart aid in that task? Perhaps. Perhaps more than perhaps.

Footnotes

[1] Sergius Bulgakov, The Bride of the Lamb (2002), 170.

[2] Ibid., 170-171; emphasis mine.

[3] Alexander V. Khramov, “Fitting Evolution into Christian Belief: An Eastern Orthodox Approach,” International Journal of Orthodox Theology, 8 (2017): 8.

[4] Paul Griffiths, Decreation (2014), 90.

[5] Ibid., 91.

[6] Ibid., 95. Griffiths borrows the image of the systole from St Paul: “In his First Letter to the Corinthians, as part of a discussion of what the marriage practices of Christians should be now, since the ascension of Jesus, Paul writes that it is good for Christians to remain as they are with respect to marriage (if married, then married; if not, then not); and that there should also be changes in the way those states of life are lived—those who are married, for example, should live as if they were not. The reason for these changes is that time, now, is systolated (sunestalmenos)—ruched, pleated, tensed, furled, crouched like a cat for the spring, tight-wrapped in grave-clothes like a corpse prepared for resurrection, swaddled like a newborn being carried toward the baptismal font (1 Cor 7:29). The Greek verb here, sustellein, lies at the root of the English “systole,” which is among the reasons for choosing that English equivalent” (ibid. 95-96).

[7] Ibid., 96. If you’re still confused (I am), I can only recommend that you read and reread chap. 16 of Decreation.

[8] Ibid., 107-108.

[9] Ibid., 132. Also see “Thralls of the Metronome.” Dom Illtyd Trethowan writes: “Sin, then, started with the angels. They refused to accept grace—that is, the supernatural knowledge and love of God for which they were created. They preferred to remain as they were—God was not allowed to come into the foreground of the intelligences, to encroach on their self-sufficiency. Some of the Fathers put it like this: that the angels wouldn’t stand for the Incarnation, for the putting of human nature above themselves. . . . Anyhow, the sin which the angels committed must have been a sin of pride—a refusal to toe the line. . . . One of the results, we may suppose, was a disorganization of the material universe over which, according to a reasonable theory, the angels had charge. It is a reasonable theory, because it seems to be a general law that the lower orders should be governed by the higher ones, that God’s creatures should be arranged in a hierarchy, with a certain dependence of those below on those above.” An Essay in Christian Philosophy (1954), 128; quoted by Michael J. Murray, Nature Red in Tooth and Claw (2008), 98.

[10] Ibid., 134.

[11] Quoted by Khramov, 104.

[12] David Bentley Hart, “The Devil’s March,” Theological Territories (2020), 79.

[13] Cf. Paul Ladoceur, “Evolution and Genesis 2–3: The Decline and Fall of Adam and Eve,” St Vladimir’s Theological Quarterly 57 (2013): 135-176. Ladoceur rejects meta-historical proposals, including Bulgakov’s, precisely because they are speculative and non-scientific: “Even though these theories may be theologically satisfying, scientifically they are non-starters, since they require divine intervention (a no-no in science—“no miracles are allowed”) and because they elevate modern humans to a sort of homo super-sapiens, something other than the humans resulting from biological evolution” (148).

[14] “For Paul, the present world-age is rapidly passing, while another world-age differing from the former in every dimension—heavenly or terrestrial, spiritual or physical—is already dawning. The story of salvation concerns the entire cosmos; and it is a story of invasion, conquest, spoliation and triumph. For Paul, the cosmos has been enslaved to death, both by our sin and by the malign governance of those ‘angelic’ or ‘daemonian’ agencies who reign over the earth from the heavens, and who hold spirits in thrall below the earth. These angelic beings, these Archons, whom Paul calls Thrones and Powers and Dominations and Spiritual Forces of Evil in the High Places, are the gods of the nations. In the Letter to the Galatians, he even hints that the angel of the Lord who rules over Israel might be one of their number. Whether fallen, or mutinous, or merely incompetent, these beings stand intractably between us and God. But Christ has conquered them all.” David Bentley Hart, “Everything You Know About the Gospel of Paul Is Likely Wrong,” Aeon (8 January 2018). Also see “Whose Orthodoxy? Which Gnosticism?” Leaves in the Wind (17 September 2021).

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17 Responses to The Meta-Historical Fall of the Cosmos: Intriguing but Is It True?

  1. Tom says:

    Good summary Fr Aidan. Thanks for the time and effort you put into this site. It’s a gift to us all.

    You comment: “I am sympathetic to the theodicial concerns and moral intuitions that drive the meta-historical thesis. I have genuine reservations regarding the claim that the present cosmos, as it has developed since day one, reflects God’s original intention.”

    For the record though, to deny this metahistorical fall is not to claim that everything about the present cosmos reflects God’s original intention. Fr Behr, for example, who has no need for such a fall, doesn’t also suppose everything about the world is what God intends it to be. But maybe I’ve misunderstood your reservation.

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    • Rob says:

      Hey Tom 🙂

      How does Behr understand “the Fall”? (I realise a blog comment section may not be the best place to pose such a question…)

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      • Tom says:

        Hi Rob.

        Apart from his not supposing there to be a primeval or meta-historical ‘fall’ that imposes entropy and mortality upon creation, I don’t know how he would employ talk of a ‘fall’. He recognizes there is sin and evil in the world and that we are saved and healed from these. I suppose if he did posit a ‘fall’ it would describe the effects of sentient wills, in time, in this world, asserting themselves despairingly and falsely. As he has said on a few occasions, “Sin is the refusal to die,” i.e., a refusal to accept our finite limitations, encountered in the sufferings of a mortal world, and to entrust ourselves to God in faith.

        These will definitely help.

        This slightly older presentation (7 yrs ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7nEgSkFWzk

        This more recent presentation (2 yrs ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd_8hvl8pS4

        And this even more recent presentation (Fall 2023): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck-VPmjRqXs

        All three are well worth the time. The first two precede his vol on Gregory, but the 3rd presentation is after his having finished that vol and so includes his reading of Gregory.

        Tom

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  2. Fr Al,

    Thanks for this! I’d only add that this view certainly doesn’t begin with Hart or Bulgakov. By 415 Augustine is already worried that “because things are being said [in Genesis] which do not meet the gaze of eyes fixed on the ordinary course of nature, *some people* think they should not be understood in their proper sense, but only figuratively, and they suggest that history, that is, the account of events that actually happened, begins from the moment when Adam and Eve, turned out of Paradise, came together and had children” (de gen. ad litt. 8.1.2).

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      Justin, now that I have you on the line, I’d like to ask you a question. I know you have read a goodly amount of Bulgakov. Can you translate for me Bulgakov’s view on the meta-historical in non-Bulgakovian categories but in categories with which I am comfortable?

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  3. Fr Aidan Kimel says:

    “For the record though, to deny this metahistorical fall is not to claim that everything about the present cosmos reflects God’s original intention. Fr Behr, for example, who has no need for such a fall, doesn’t also suppose everything about the world is what God intends it to be.”

    Tom, how does your understanding of divine creation account for animal predation, suffering, and death? Do you celebrate it as God’s good and loving will in action? Who do you root for when you watch a video of a pride of lions trying to take down a single water buffalo? (I just saw a video of that on FB yesterday. 😁)

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    • Tom says:

      You’re baiting me in!

      Well, with a minority of others, I view mortality (and entropy/decay) as the God-given term in which creation was intended to move from origin to end in God. I don’t see our beginning as a quasi-paradisal immortal state from which we fell into mortality, entropy, and metronomic time. I think these later are our God-given beginning. I take it that ‘death’ (mortality as such) becomes ‘Death’ (the existential enemy) when we misrelate in despair to our finitude. As Behr says, ‘Sin is the refusal to die’. You summarized this as Yannaras’s approach if I remember rightly. Perhaps we should ask both of them what they do when they see one animal eating another.

      For me this is part of what it means to say teleology itself is God-given. Otherwise it just becomes an accommodation to evil. But if teleology is the God-given context and mode of our movement from beginning to end, then our God-given beginning cannot be our God-given end, and there can be nothing tragic about the difference between the two, or the distance that we must travel between the two.

      So at that point it becomes a question of how we’re to understand that ‘beginning’ which is less/other than its end without that distance being viewed as diminishment or privation. I don’t have all the answers. But the more I ponder it the less inclined I am to think the movement from one to the other should be an entropy-free, decay-free, pain-free immortal (single) step into mature personhood. The idea that creation emerges ‘immortal’ into being, for example, seems to me equivalent to saying it begins at its end. And I can’t imagine that.

      What do I do when I think about the pain and suffering of the animal kingdom? (I thought perhaps I would begin by thinking about the steaks you and I consumed when I last visited! ;o) ) Truth is, I ‘groan’ (Rom 8) along with the rest of creation. But to say some process of growth is painful does not mean it is evil. At the same time, it doesn’t mean that our pain doesn’t provoke us to despair and to doing many great evils. I was suggesting above only that we not take all pain and suffering as an evil privation (or suppose none of it involves evil choices).

      The other thing I do is remember that in the end (Rom 8 again) all the world’s combined suffering shall not be worth comparing to the glory that shall be revealed in us, and thru us, participated in by the entire cosmos. If Jordan is right, then every individual T-Rex along with every animal consumed by them (and by us) gets resurrected and participates in our final beatitude.

      I’m still in process on some of this, but that’s sorta where I am.

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  4. Jonathan says:

    Seems like an attempt to give God a (unnecessary in my estimation) get-out-jail-free card, as do most theodicies (which is probably why they all end up very unsatisfying, and why none of them appear in Scripture!), but I’m not sure it does the trick, perhaps actually makes the situation worse- if anything it suggests that God’s creative power is constrained, in whole or in part, by the machinations of rational creatures who due to, I don’t know, some random flux decide to turn away from the Suprarational Light and go about their own business, or something, though why pre-incarnate spirits would do such a thing is beyond me (boredom? some pre-incarnate souls just want to watch the world burn I guess). It also means that pretty much everything in the Old Testament, and a decent chunk of the New, has to be quite creatively re-interpreted given that there is not the slightest hint of such cosmic drama nor of any fundamental error or problems in the fabric of the universe (humans, sure, but they’re their own story). God doesn’t sit Job down and tell him an esoteric story about disgruntled angels throwing a wrench into the demiurge’s pre-eternal plans; He just…shows him how incredible the universe is and how little Job actually understands about anything.

    Personally I’m fine with a creation that is contingent and temporal- the whole point of creation is that it is *not* God, of course it’s temporal and changeable! If one focuses on change and generation etc I suppose it’s troublesome, but the history of the material universe is also one of incredible intricacy and dynamism, of internal stability and predictability unfolding within the arc of contingent history with all of its twists and turns and unfoldings, from the level of cosmic expansion and galaxy life and death to whatever mysteries govern the subatomic realm. The human story is a part of it, integral insofar as God enters into cosmic history via us and our need for redemption- but the transformation promised in Christ is not a return to some pre-historical state (which didn’t go so well anyway) but something quite beyond our comprehension, within and beyond the trajectory of the temporal universe, part of its arc of becoming and movement, and reflective of God’s respect- if that is the right word- for the basic integrity and goodness of His creation.

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      Needless to say, Paul Griffiths’ disagrees with you, Jonathan. 😜 As he points out, the Christian theological tradition has long intuited and claimed that God is not the Creator of death. Death is the enemy that God in Christ conquers in Pascha. The compelling question is, Why this intuition? What is it about the story of Jesus that generates this intuition? From it flows the patristic positing, in different ways by Eastern and Latin Fathers, of a Fall that negatively–indeed catastrophically–impacted the constitution of the universe.

      “The creatures whose lives are measured and brought to death by metronomic time are, without exception, brought into being by and beloved of the LORD; that is always and necessarily true. Time itself, as a defining feature of creation, is intended and loved: spatio-temporal presence to himself is what the LORD intends for creatures, and the spatio-temporal relations we bear to one another are therefore also features of us that are loved. But time-as-metronomic is nevertheless an artifact of the fall. It is what time is like when it has been devastated. The principal mark of that devastation for us—the sign that shows us most clearly that metronomic time is time devastated—is that time is a metronomic countdown to death. To observe any creature for long—whether ourselves or others, human or otherwise, animate or otherwise—is to observe its decay, its ineluctable loss of goods it has now as it approaches its last loss, which is of life if it is animate, and of continued existence if it is inanimate. . . . The rule, in the devastation, is the tick-tock that brings death. The other things, the acts of life and growth, do not belong to the metronome, and they are, now, in the devastated world, occasional contradictions of it, signs that it is not everything. The metronome’s omnipresence and unavoidability, its literal unendurability—the fact, that is, that we cannot live long with it, cannot put up with it, cannot survive it—is, exactly, time’s devastation. This characterization of metronomic time depends upon the view that death is an artifact of the fall. Not all Christians have thought this, but most have: it is almost a universal feature of Christian discourse, and it is a position I endorse.” ~ Paul Griffths

      Like Griffiths (but unlike my dear friend Tom Belt), I am reluctant to abandon the doctrine of the Fall nor the theodicial concerns that underlie it. To put it simply, the God of absolute Love and Goodness did not and would not create death and the horrific suffering it brings. So why death? Why is it our enemy, as St Paul says?

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      • Jonathan says:

        God created a contingent world- perhaps He could have created one that was an exact mirror of His nature, without change or alteration or contingency or the rest (all of which are on a basic continuum with biological death), but He did not. As such He is the creator of becoming and going out of being, of which biological death (and star death and erosional ‘death’ etc) is a part. There is nothing in Scripture to suggest that the world is supposed to be changeless and static, quite the opposite- from the opening chapters of Genesis on through the rest the image of the world is a dynamic one, with generation, reproduction, consumption, cycles of history in short, and that is all presented *as good*. If the created world is in fact the result of some pre-temporal fall or cosmic evil, you have to explain why that same world would be so consistently presented as good, and why Scripture does not know anything of such corruption or disarray. I am not a literalist or fundamentalist by any means, but I am very reluctant to introduce what strikes me as a deeply foreign and countervailing narrative into the whole fabric of Scripture, one that owes more to pre-Christian philosophical ideas of perfection than anything else.

        I think the error you are making (and lots of people make in good faith) is collapsing biological/natural death, change, contingency, etc, which is simply a part of the universe qua universe, by virtue of it not being God (or of being of a spiritual nature or essence), and death as it relates to human beings as creatures who are both temporal and eternal (or better, called to be eternal), who partake of the changeable nature of material reality, exist within the same creaturely evolutionary trajectory of all organisms, yet are also *more* than that, even in our un-redeemed state. Death both is and is not natural to us, and Scripture, and human intuition, reflects this: our relationship to death and dying and the dead is one of the things that marks us out as different not just from other animals but also from more ancient hominids, it’s one of the archeological markers of “modern” humans in fact. The first chapters of Genesis do *not* present humans as inherently immortal, but as mortal organisms like all the rest who however are called by God into life-giving communion with Him. When, through whatever historical process, humans fall away from that Life and become subject to death, we continue to feel biological death as somehow wrong or at least as something exceptional, something different from the ordinary biological death we see around and within us (remember that as soon as you or any other organism is born cells are already coming into being, dying, being recycled, etc).

        The Resurrection is for humans: death (biological and spiritual, both being intertwined) is our enemy as human beings because we are more than material organisms, though we are also that (and hence Scripture does in fact sometimes treat human death as a natural, normal part of being human (witness Sirach: “Fear not the sentence of death, remember them that have been before thee, and that come after; for this is the sentence of the Lord over all flesh”; here and elsewhere Scripture definitely presents biological death generally speaking as part of the created order, not an aberration or the result of some angelic fall into evil). God is not going to resurrect every organism, ever cell that has ever lived over the last two billion years of life or so; what our relationship to non-human creatures will be in the World to Come is a mystery, though we do know that it will be a transformation, and that the natural world “groans” for the revelation of the sons of God, the ultimate teleos of the world having been- briefly in the grand scheme of things!- interrupted by human sin, but fulfilled in Christ.

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  5. Geoffrey says:

    “Biblical and patristic fundamentalism is an intellectual dead-end.”

    In my opinion, Genesis 2:7 is the only verse in the Bible that when literally interpreted comes into direct conflict with the scientific consensus of the evolution of the universe, planet Earth, and life itself. (And I think that this verse interpreted literally is of scant matter scientifically, and this verse interpreted metaphorically is of scant matter theologically.)

    Biblical literalism also provides a common-sense theodicy that I think is eminently preachable: “Long before life appeared on Earth, some angels rejected God and became wicked. These wicked angels began a war with the good angels, and this war wages up to this very day and will continue until the Second Coming. All sin, suffering, and death in the universe is the result of fallen angels doing wicked things and/or fallen men doing wicked things.”

    That’s short, easy to understand, compatible with Biblical literalism, and does not require head-scratching concepts. An average 8-year-old can grasp it. At the very least, it is interesting if true. 🙂

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    • Fr Aidan Kimel says:

      Geoffrey, see my reply to Jonathan. But also consider this verse by St Paul: “The last enemy to be destroyed is death” (1 Cor 15:26). Why think of death as an enemy if it’s just a natural, and therefore divinely intended, part of God’s good creation?

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      • Geoffrey says:

        Fr. Aidan, please look again at my hypothetical explanation (especially its last sentence) for all sin, suffering, and death:

        “Long before life appeared on Earth, some angels rejected God and became wicked. These wicked angels began a war with the good angels, and this war wages up to this very day and will continue until the Second Coming. All sin, suffering, and death in the universe is the result of fallen angels doing wicked things and/or fallen men doing wicked things.”

        In this three-sentence hypothesis, death most certainly is not seen as natural or as intended by God. Death is the enemy. Every single death (whether human, animal, or whatnot) is the result of evil angels and/or evil men doing the killing.

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      • Tom says:

        Fr Aidan: Why think of death as an enemy if it’s just a natural…?

        Tom: Perhaps because ‘death’ (mortality as such) has become ‘Death’ the existential enemy through our misrelation to it, and what we find explicit in the NT is faith struggling with the latter.

        I was thinking about 1Cor 15 (Paul quoting Hosea 13) recently.

        Where, O death, is your victory?
        Where, O death, is your sting?

        Paul then follows with, “The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”

        I find it interesting that it’s the ‘sting’ of death he addresses, and that he locates the power of this sting as deriving from sin thru the law. It’s not (at least not here) mortality as such that he names the enemy, but the enemy we have made of death through our despair and misrelation to it. Interesting also that Heb 2 mentions Christ’s having saved us ‘from the fear of death’. We still die this side of the resurrection. And yes, of course mortality as such is in the end transcended, but this doesn’t rule out God’s having given it for the journey’s sake and our having turned it into something else. Both converge in Christ ‘fulfilling’ and ‘completing’ the human (mortal) journey and in his also ‘saving’ and ‘healing’ us from our despair and bondage to fear.

        In a real sense then, ‘dying to self’ is not merely a strategy introduced because we are fallen; it was always the pathway to mature personhood. Perhaps even ‘being born again’ (John 3, also not just a need we ‘fall into’) was always on the menu.

        Tom

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        • Andrei says:

          Tom, I’m sympathetic to your opinion. Obviously, this distance between our beginning and our end is in fact the only possible reason for a Fall in the first place, if one chooses to believe in it. As Fr Aidan Kimel, I can see only one advantage (perhaps essential) to the Fall narrative, in that it removes “completely” the necessity of evil or suffering from God’s creation. So that, all evil is basically creation’s “creation”. Nevertheless, this is still a wholly contingent reality, still God’s world. The possibility of monstrous evil “was” always backed in. However, I’m tempted to believe the reality of this possibility is logically unavoidable, hence the advantage of the Fall theory. It still remains an ad-hoc hypothesis, perhaps true, perhaps not. And I’m definitely not sure if we really need it either.

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  6. Katrin Holt Dubreuil says:

    I *loved* this, even if it sent me on a trek through about 10 other articles and several pdf downloads. I have long wrestled with the creation account, the literal vs metaphorical Eden, Adam as a human vs Adam as humanity, what science can tell us vs what theology can tell us, and how on earth life can be so sweet yet so sorrowful at once. Thus far, honestly, Tolkien’s Silmarillion is the most satisfying (to me) “thesis” on how these things can be reconciled. I know there are marked differences between the Ainulindalë and Genesis, but the more I read, the more I listen, and the more I seek, the more I feel like Tolkien is a step ahead of everyone else.

    What I find especially intriguing is Tolkien’s notion of God granting creative input to angelic beings, trusting them (God is an optimist in my somewhat-open-theistic opinion) with real power, even the power to introduce deep darkness into the foundational music of creation. I read your post on The Music of the Ainur and found it particularly meaningful that Iluvatar smiled sadly and even wept as he heard Melko’s dark notes (as though the possibility of such an evil choice being made by one of his own were already in his mind, yet he had hoped that it would not happen). Could our world be similar? Could God have granted the Divine Council the power to participate in a “blueprint” of creation and therefore have KNOWN ahead of time (literally) what it would take to obtain the whole, redeemed, human family God wanted from the outset without destroying free will? Could God have seen that freeing humanity from sin and death would require stepping into creation and personally defeating darkness from the inside by way of the cross? If so, having known the end from the beginning, God said, “It’s worth it.” Thus, Christ truly was slain before the foundation of the world.

    If our cosmos was created according to such a blueprint, then all the death and misery we observe is simply the actualization of the evil thread woven into the fabric of reality from before there was a reality. I personally find this take wholly believable. Tolkien, what a genius. Now if only I could make it through The Silmarillion without falling asleep. 😉

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